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 Man I nested it up spooling the line on, 20lb braid Spiderwire:lol:. For real I need help. No instructions with it[ stealth new]  only a parts diagram. I am lost

close face guy

David

 What a difference 50 # braid made, I am down to 5 on the break dial and NO BACK LASH what so ever I am pleased with the real. Now what do I need 50# line and a bait caster for? Yawl pros tell me please as some of you know I am an old close face fisherman.

Thanks David

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No brand bashing!

 

Tighten the spool tension knob and adjust the brakes. I would probably increased the lb. test you're using too.

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Looks like you get too much line on the outer edges of the spool , looks like the middle of the spool needs to be filled first, I don't have a clue

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Look in the videos section above for how to set and cast a bait caster. You might want to put cheap mono on until you get the hang of it. Pull out a casts worth of line and put some tape on the spool. When you backlash again it will only go to the tape and not all the way deep in the spool. Don't give up. It just takes practice.

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9 minutes ago, Bass Turd said:

Look in the videos section above for how to set and cast a bait caster. You might want to put cheap mono on until you get the hang of it. Pull out a casts worth of line and put some tape on the spool. When you backlash again it will only go to the tape and not all the way deep in the spool. Don't give up. It just takes practice.

I have a Stealth. It's not a forgiving reel. I have all 4 brakes engaged and the mags on 9 most of the time.  I don't agree with people when they say it's a good beginner reel.  It will bomb baits when you get it dialed in and master it though.  

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13 minutes ago, cottny27 said:

I have a Stealth. It's not a forgiving reel. I have all 4 brakes engaged and the mags on 9 most of the time.  I don't agree with people when they say it's a good beginner reel.  It will bomb baits when you get it dialed in and master it though.  

how do you get the cover off to get to the pins

Oh I  have watched the videos

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I had a buddy call me and tell me how to get the cover off, I hope I will be good to go now :wub:

 We will see. Highlights at 11:00 ;)

 I did not know he was on this forum small world huh

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20lb braid on a baitcaster is light, i normally use 20 or less on spinning reels and 30 and up on casting.

 

the stealth has a few things to take note of

 

first is the braking, make sure you set the centrifugal brakes as well as magnetic (and obviously cast control knob)

 

second is the spool design, its cross drilled making it lighter, it will accelerate much faster

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I have the same reel and I have all 4 centrifugal brakes turned on and the magnetic turned to max. With 14 lb mono I cast a mile and am still mindful of my thumb on the spool.

 

what might help is once you get the side plate off loosen the two screws that hold the magnets down. Just a little seems to do the trick. 

 

Once I master casting this way I can't wait to see how much farther this baby can sling a bait.

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I have never used or seen a Kastking reel. Are they a a quality piece?

 

This may sound unusual but I have never had luck with mono on a broadcaster. Braid has always been much more forgiving!

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Bait casters can be tricky to get adjusted properly.  But give it some time, and I think you'll see the benefits.  I have a Stealth, but I had been using bait casters long before I switched over to KastKing, so I guess maybe that's why I didn't have a big problem with it.  

 

On my bait casters, though, I don't go less than 50 lb braid. I spool up some mono for backing and then fill the reel with Fortis.  Using a smaller weight braid will mean it is  a much smaller diameter.  That makes it really easy to cut into itself when you set the hook on a stump, for instance - Not that that's ever happened to me. I heard it from a guy.  LOL.  Okay, I've done that a bunch of times.  Anyway, the heavier braid will help.  

 

There are some tricks to getting a bird's nest (AKA professional overrun) undone when it seems impossible.  You can find vids on YouTube on that pretty easily.  

 

Also, don't be afraid to crank everything down fairly tight while you are learning.  Don't concentrate on long casts, just try to get the bait to cast out first.  When I was first learning, I did a lot of pitching in the driveway standing on a 5-gallon bucket.  And keep in mind that your adjustments for pitching and casting will likely be different as well.  

 

As others have said, if you're new to bait casters, it can be easier to learn with mono, rather than braid - not to mention cheaper if you wind up having to cut out s few bird's nests here and there. You'll get it down with some practice.  Good luck!

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Well, I tried all evening total fiasco , I got every thing locked down tight  still a mess. do you have to thumb the reel all the time?

 

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2 hours ago, david in va said:

Well, I tried all evening total fiasco , I got every thing locked down tight  still a mess. do you have to thumb the reel all the time?

 

Start with lures that weigh 3/8 or more, cast gently and smoothly don't cast hard,  and lastly set your brakes to a higher setting, maybe tighten down your cast control knob a bit so that the lure falls slowly or even barely at all to start with. You should be a able to gently cast a lure with little to no thumbing of the spool. As you practice and get better, you can back off the brakes and spool tension a bit as you learn to thumb the spool.

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My findings so far with KK, they cast a mile, but they're not real forgiving to mistakes. I have a couple decades of baitcaster use under my belt, so I've been able to use them without much issues, but I do have to pay more attention to them when casting than some of my other reels. You have to have them set right and use the educated thumb to keep them reigned in. 

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9 hours ago, david in va said:

Well, I tried all evening total fiasco , I got every thing locked down tight  still a mess. do you have to thumb the reel all the time?

 

 

No. But you should start to apply pressure before your lure hits the water. The spool has so many holes in it that it spins at warp speed. If you apply thumb pressure too late it will quickly get away from you.

 

 

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9 hours ago, david in va said:

Well, I tried all evening total fiasco , I got every thing locked down tight  still a mess. do you have to thumb the reel all the time?

 

I've seen another guy who isn't a newb at bc, have the same issue.  The only other advice is the spool tension knob.  When casting just do a nice easy toss, maybe start a side arm motion.  Do not swing hard, let the rod do the work.

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What lb test line would be best not to backlash? If I set the spool tension to let a 1/4 oz jig fall slowly to the ground , it will spool off after it hit the ground.

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you want to set the cast control knob so that the lure falls slowly,but doesnt overrun when it touches the ground.Then you want to adjust your magnetics and/or centrifugal brakes.If you have a 1-10 setting start at 10 and get used to casting there.Move it to 9 and get comfortable there.Remember the cast control will have to be adjusted every time you change lures unless your going from 3/8-3/8.Every reel is different and takes some time to get dialed in.Your thumb is your friend here.Id kick your braid up to 40# to prevent digging and id buy something like Power Pro or Sufix 832.Also,what is the lure rating on the rod your using for this? If your low end is 1/4 and thats what your throwing i would use a 3/8oz lure to see if that makes a difference.

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I sent you a pm.  

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On 3/31/2017 at 4:28 PM, david in va said:

20lb braid Spiderwire

Put that line onto a spinning reel, and get some 40-50 lb braid.  That was a tough way to start!

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I will go out on the limb and say learning to cast a bait caster with 20 lb braid is difficult. 40 lb would be a better choice.

When you manage to get the backlash loops out and the line back onto the spool tight, pull off about 30 to 40 yards of line. Now tape over the remaining line on the spool with 1 wrap of masking tape. Wind the line back onto to the reel tightly using a wet wash cloth so you don't burn your fingers. Adjust the spool tension knob so the practice weight falls with a little tension, hits the floor and the spool should stop turning on it's own.

Now practice casting. This works for any brand of bait casting reel.

Tom

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Definitely as a beginner use 40lb test and do what WRB recommends regarding tape.  Further use a 3/8 practice weight to practice.  It is possible to use 20lb test on a baitcaster but not the best idea for a beginner.  I only put this light of line on reels that can handle it.  Like a Curado 50E/Chronarch 50E/ Chronarch 50MG..etc.  Further and this isn't because I'm knocking Kastking, but in my opinion you should've stuck with a tried and true platform.  You could've gotten a used Citica, Tatula, PQ etc... for cheap.  When I started to learn as a newbie years ago with BCs, I just bought a cheapo store bought platform, I kept backlashing and backlashing and it turned me off from using baitcasters.  This was until I actually bought my first tried and true BC.  I haven't looked back since.  Kastking it seems free spools easy and like I said I've seen even a veteran with BCs get a serious backlash if they aren't paying attention, it definitely seems not newb friendly.

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My KK Stealth came in on Thursday... 

 

On 3/31/2017 at 7:39 PM, david in va said:

 

Looks like you get too much line on the outer edges of the spool , looks like the middle of the spool needs to be filled first, I don't have a clue

 

I noticed that there is a "V" shape to the spool. I used 12lb mono as backing and to fill some of the V, then topped mine off with 40lb braid. 

On 3/31/2017 at 10:10 PM, Finesse Wayfarer said:

I have the same reel and I have all 4 centrifugal brakes turned on and the magnetic turned to max.

^^^ this... the first thing I did was open it and set all 4 brakes on, then tested it yesterday for the first time with the mag brake on 6. I did have a slight over-run on one cast due to accidental skipping of a jig (operator error). I tend to only cast sidearm or else pitch when I'm using bait casters, so that may have worked in my favor as well. 

Good luck with the new reel, and keep us updated how it works out for you. There are a few guys on here waiting to hear from those of us that have taken a chance on them. 

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 Well, I ordered some 40 & 50  lb braid and will post back as so as I get it . I will use this reel come hell or high water

 Thanks to all for helping and putting up with me.

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The advice I was given here I was struggling to learn a baitcaster was to spooled up with 8 pound YoZori Hybrid.  It casts easily, is pretty strong, and is cheap enough that the backlashes hurt a lot less. 

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