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What makes a jig-and-worm rod so good for both?

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It's Stupid Question time.

 

I see many rods classified as "jig and worm", in fact I own one (a MH/F).

 

I get that it's good for a jig rod to be sensitive enough to read the bottom, strong enough to horse a bass from heavy cover in the shallows, but why is a jig rod often doubling as a worm rod? To me, a plastic worm is usually Texas rigged or wacky rigged and retrieved in mid water column and can be done on all day on a non specialized M/F rod. I get that in deep water the sensitivity of a jig rod can help detect strikes on a worm, but is there more to it?

 

Simply put, why are the jig and worm applications often lumped together in the same rod? Are they talking about working a worm along the bottom, but just not saying that?

 

 

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The only time I'm not focusing on the bottom when fishing a worm or jig is when throwing a swim jig or bladed swim jig. Any other time I am letting my bait fall on semi slack line to the bottom. So I fish a jig and worm very similar. 

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18 minutes ago, haggard said:

It's Stupid Question time.

 

I see many rods classified as "jig and worm", in fact I own one (a MH/F).

 

I get that it's good for a jig rod to be sensitive enough to read the bottom, strong enough to horse a bass from heavy cover in the shallows, but why is a jig rod often doubling as a worm rod? To me, a plastic worm is usually Texas rigged or wacky rigged and retrieved in mid water column and can be done on all day on a non specialized M/F rod. I get that in deep water the sensitivity of a jig rod can help detect strikes on a worm, but is there more to it?

 

Simply put, why are the jig and worm applications often lumped together in the same rod? Are they talking about working a worm along the bottom, but just not saying that?

 

 

Not sure, because some of the greatest anglers always said you shouldn't use the same stick. I'm guessing now days it's simply marketing convenience.

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I have a dedicated jig rod that goes with me 100% of the time and couldn’t imagine not having it. It’s a heavier rod than I would ever use for my normal t-rig applications. It’s dependent on weight though. I typically throw 1/8 oz t-rig and 1/2 oz jigs. To me it’s not ideal using the same power rod for both

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To me, a plastic worm is usually Texas rigged or wacky rigged and retrieved in mid water column

 

Your definition of T-rig is different than mine. I consider it to drag the bottom like a jig. So for me a jig and worm rod is the same. 3/8 ounce is the same wether I'm dragging a jig or a worm. 

 

I have a rod dedicated for flukes/senkos. So we must agree on a definition of a "worm" rod 

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You are aware what's wrote on the side of rods are just suggestions?

 

Example: G. Loomis IMX Pro Jig and Worm list line weight as "14-20 lb"

 

I guess that means I cannot use 65# braid!

 

They also list lure weight at "5/16-3/4 oz"

 

So if I throw 1/4 oz or 7/8 oz the rod will stop working?

 

If I throw a spinnerbait with it will it explode?

 

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A direct answer to your question is the ability to transmit vibration quickly.

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to me a jig and worm rod is sensitive to feel light bites and powerful enough to drive worm and jig hooks home. a med heavy or heavy usually. 

 

this rod wouldnt necessarily be ideal for weightless t-rig or wacky but if you can cast it well (senkos are heavy!) knock yourself out. IMO a "jig and worm" rod is not needed to bury the hook with light hooks in open water. 

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I actually own a couple rods I use for those techniques. I use a medium heavy fast action kistler helium (little on the lighter side of the medium heavy spectrum) and makes for an awesome worm rod, also throw a glx 852c which is a medium extra fast for wacky, shaky head, flukes and sometimes weightless Texas rig senko, then I have a glx 894c heavy fast action for jigs and a company we can’t mention in heavy extra fast I love for medium to heavy t-rigs

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3 minutes ago, Matt_3479 said:

 also throw a glx 852c which is a medium extra fast for wacky, shaky head, flukes and sometimes weightless Texas rig senko.

 

so although these are "worms" i think when a manufacturer calls it a "jig and worm" they are referring to heavier hooks and a bit more weight. i'd consider the 852c a "mag finesse" if you will, not what id want when pitching jigs to cover.

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3 minutes ago, bigfruits said:

 

so although these are "worms" i think when a manufacturer calls it a "jig and worm" they are referring to heavier hooks and a bit more weight. i'd consider the 852c a "mag finesse" if you will, not what id want when pitching jigs to cover.

Oh 100%! I throw 1/8 and 3/16 oz jigs on this rod and love it! Unbelievably sensitive and light and surprising how much back bone this little rod has but when cover get thicker and I want to to throw smaller baits the kistler comes out, and if I’m tsrgeting cover with jigs my 894c is being used. 

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10-4. just wanted to make it clear to OP and anyone that may be looking for a senko rod.

 

i love the 852c for 1/8-3/16 jigs and plastics. 4"-5" senkos, weightless and light t-rig zoom lizards, shakey jig. the NRX spinning version is my favorite spinning rod by far.

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Jig and worm or JWR defines the rod better then not having that discription. JWR tells me the rod is designed to set heavy wire or the standard bass worm hook or bass jig.

There isn't a standard to define MH or F.

Tom

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to make it a bit confusing -a JWR rod that has many models in a manufacture's line up (Loomis 852c for example) might have some lighter models meant for light wire plastics that could be a very different rod than the typical "jig and worm" rod from a lineup of technique specific models (St.Croix Mojo Bass Jig N Worm for example). in my mind a jig and worm rod would be a MH-H rod with a good backbone. a complete lineup of jig and worm rods would just mean plastic vs moving bait specific.  

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I'm sorry but Gary Loomis does not get to tell me what I like in a worm/jig rod!

 

I have two Shimano Crucial CRC-X610MH, one is my worm rod & one is my jig rod.

 

Specs:

Length: 6' 10"

Line: 10-20 lb

Lure: 3/8-3/4

Power: Medium Heavy

Action: Extra Fast

 

I throw Texas Rigs from weightless through 1/2 oz & jigs from 1/8 through 3/4 oz.

 

Shimano listed the CRC-X610MH as a spinnerbait rod!

 

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So you fish a worm like a chatter bait?  Dude does that work?

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So much teqnique specific stuff these days, it confuses a lot of people. Get a good quality 6'6 to 7' med heavy fast action rod. You can catch fish on worm and jig. Pick one that feels good in your hand, and go fishing. It will work

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A 1/8 oz shaky head jig with a worm is a JWR that doesn't need a JWR MH/F rod.

I think we all know the difference.

Tom

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To me, a jig and worm rod typically is meant for single hook presentations and has a fast or extra fast tip that transitions quickly to the rod’s backbone. This is important so that you have more leverage to drive that single hook home. These should be some of the most sensitive rods in your arsenal since these techniques require more feel as opposed to moving bait rods where sensitivity does not matter as much.

 

But as others have said, the words on a rod are only suggestions by the manufacturer. A lighter “jig and worm rod” may make a good spinnerbait rod to one person but not another. It’s up to you to decide which baits you feel comfortable throwing on a particular rod.

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Thanks for all the advice; this has been really helpful. I'm now leaning to using this rod for bottom contact jigs and weighted worms, but seeing as sensitivity is a key factor there, am I canceling that out by using my standard 12 lb test mono with its inherent stretch?

 

If you could rig a Mojo Bass 6'8 MH/F with line of your choice for bottom contact jigs and worms, what line would you use?

 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, haggard said:

Thanks for all the advice; this has been really helpful. I'm now leaning to using this rod for bottom contact jigs and weighted worms, but seeing as sensitivity is a key factor there, am I canceling that out by using my standard 12 lb test mono with its inherent stretch?

 

If you could rig a Mojo Bass 6'8 MH/F with line of your choice for bottom contact jigs and worms, what line would you use?

 

 

 

Personally would be 30-50lbs braid and depending on clarity a fc leader

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1 hour ago, haggard said:

but seeing as sensitivity is a key factor there, am I canceling that out by using my standard 12 lb test mono with its inherent stretch?

 

The stretch in mono does affect feeling a bite.

 

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What makes a jig-and-worm rod so good for both?

 

Physics.

 

And the testing by the manufacturer using physics as their base for rod performance.

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My worm and jig rod does not say worm and jig . It reads 6'8" MH .

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4 hours ago, scaleface said:

My worm and jig rod does not say worm and jig . It reads 6'8" MH .

Then it is an all around general rod for many applications, but not any one specific application.

 

No problem with it. Use and enjoy the rod.

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