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Why I fish but do not hunt since age 12.

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I can not find those shoot & release bullets. 

 

As a side note All my senior perch eaters GLADLY want only to have the small ones. Bless Victor. he told me NEVER to bring him a breeder biggie. Every so often The big perch suck the Rapala beyond a recoverable point in their throat. Even with 1 barbless treble. I remove the hook & put it in a huge boat tank with a constant running pump. After 1 hour. Letr it swim away or a Victor diner. 

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OK............

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Good for you. I shoot and eat. 

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4 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

I can not find those shoot & release bullets. 

If you pour a little Sprite® on that hole you blasted on Bambi it will stop the bleeding, it's still twitching, so it will probably survive, leave the bullet in there it will rust out...

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There is really no difference between your catch and keep for perch and a hunter harvesting game.  Actually the hunter has the advantage because they can see and choose if they have the right size, sex, and species of game they are harvesting. As a fisherman you have to take what bites and even you admitted if a spawner gets gut hooked, there’s no release.😉  

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I don't hunt for the same reason I don't keep my catch: I have no interest in intentionally killing animals when I can go to the store. If I was starving, it would be a different story. I have zero issues with those who do keep their legal catch and hunt for legal game to eat; those people are actually keeping the natural order of things rather than getting their food from slaughter mills where the animals are severely abused.

 

It would be easier for me to keep a fish to eat than to kill a furry animal to eat. Why? Similar reason as, gun to head, fetus or toddler? You're saving the toddler.

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Oh boy this is quite the topic for me.

 

I was born and raised and am back currently living in Minnesota. The land of 10,000 lakes. The land of... 10,000 extremely over-fished lakes. The land of "limiting out" and draining the lakes of any decent sized fish until the DNR have to put a mandatory "catch and release" on the lake until the population can catch back up. Ridiculous.

 

I don't keep the fish I catch. People around here don't understand it. This is Walleye and Crappy glory land. They can't understand how I'd spend thousands a year and not bring anything home. Whatever. Annoying.

 

The deer thing, I'm happy to harvest and encourage people to harvest. They're EVERYWHERE here. Destroying cars. Destroying gardens. There's plenty to go around.

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I haven't kept a fish in years, but if someone does keep a few I don't mind.

 

Now if we had Salmon and Halibut here I would be eating it daily :)

 

As for hunting I also have no problem with it until it gets into using dogs for bear, cougars and then I also have a 

problem with people hunting exotic animals.

 

With that said, just saying I can go to the store is not any better, a deer has a way better life then any animal 

raised for slaughter....

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Catch and release bullets are called targets.

Without predators the animal kingdom is doomed, it's all about balance. Over harvesting  or under harvesting species starts a castrohphic chain reaction of events.

You choose to hunt animals (perch are animals) with a rod and reel in lieu of a gun or rifle and kill juveniles instead of adults. 

Tom

 

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Sir, this is a bass fishing forum. 

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Popcorn in hand!  This ought to get interesting before it gets shut down...... Although it appears cyclops threw the first punch and then hightailed it out of here......

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I choose to not hunt because it would severely hinder my fishing time and fishing budget!

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I both hunt and fish. My 30-30 lever action deer rifle is a tool just like my fishing rod. As has been said before- obey all the laws concerning hunting and fishing.Then, sit down to a great fish dinner, or a deer steak. And enjoy it

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Only reason I don't hunt anymore is that I'm a right-hand shooter and I lost my right eye a few years ago. Tried learning to shoot lefty...just couldn't do it. Before the loss, I was a rabbit/squirrel/grouse/pheasant hunter. Shot only what I would eat, and ate everything I shot.

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Not a thing wrong with fishing purely for sport, keeping what's legal or killing legal game to eat or feed someone who needs it.

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I am back. Fire away.  😊

 

I am surprised what a level headed bunch of posters we have. I never thought of the accidental gut hookings as a form of random shot. But that is true.  I will go to the F & G stockade.     👮‍♂️

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6 minutes ago, cyclops2 said:

I am back. Fire away.  😊

 

I am surprised what a level headed bunch of posters we have. I never thought of the accidental gut hookings as a form of random shot. But that is true.  I will go to the F & G stockade.     👮‍♂️

Another another mid winter cabin fever thread in mid summer, did hell freeze over?

Tom

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7 minutes ago, WRB said:

Another another mid winter cabin fever thread in mid summer, did hell freeze over?

Tom

I dunno about froze over, but I heard a rumor that Mephistopheles ordered a pair of snow-shoes from REI.

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I am 81 and have lots of cabin fever every day The weather is too rough to fish.

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14 minutes ago, WRB said:

Another another mid winter cabin fever thread in mid summer, did hell freeze over?

Tom

Quite the opposite, actually. Alaska has been slammed with 90* temps and Greenland has melted. Yay climate change with minimal efforts by humans to fix the problem.

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There is actually an active academic literature on the relative ethical merits of hunting vs. catch-and-release.

 

One side of the debate argues that hunting (or fishing) to kill is actually ethically preferable, as long as the kill is consumed and harvest is regulated to preserve populations. That is, the benefits of consumption offset the harm of the kill. Catch a fish or kill a duck and bring it home to eat, and you spare (say) the chicken you would have eaten instead. That is, consumption brings the total net harm back down to the level you have caused if you hadn't killed. 

 

By this view, catch and release fishing is actually MORE problematic because it subjects fish to unnecessary harassment, distress and risk of injury or death for mere fun, with no other benefit to offset the harm. All else equal (the argument goes), hunting and fishing to kill, and then consuming, results in less total harm than catching and releasing.

 

Not that I agree with this position (I don't), but it should be understood that nothing happens in a vacuum.  Your continued day-to-day existence regularly kills or puts at risk other living things constantly as it is, simply from your need to eat, move around, consume energy, or just take up space. 

 

Living ethically is not simply a matter of whether your actions will harm or kill something, but whether you'll cause more harm doing one thing vs. doing another, and what benefits offset those harms.

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I hunt both on land and in the water and plan on hunting for the rest of my life. No tree hugger or vegan will convince me to stop hunting and eating meat. 

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I fish and I kill things. I love doing both.

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1 hour ago, Shimano_1 said:

Not a thing wrong with fishing purely for sport, keeping what's legal or killing legal game to eat or feed someone who needs it.

Well said

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