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Caught this 1.52 pounder. Can anyone let me know if this is 100% a white bass. Probably is a 100% white because I don’t think there are stripers in Erie.

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Sure looks like one to me.

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15 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

I think it’s a pure white bass??‍♂️If it is I’ll be very happy. State of Ohio considers that trophy level from Erie.

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The broken lines towards the belly make me think it might be a wiper...

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18 minutes ago, VolFan said:

The broken lines towards the belly make me think it might be a wiper...

It was caught in Lake Erie where there are no stripers. At least none that I have ever heard on in my lifetime of fishing Erie. A true mystery.

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Then its probably a pure white bass. I have seen them with broken stripes lower on the belly - nice fish btw

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1 minute ago, VolFan said:

Then its probably a pure white bass. I have seen them with broken stripes lower on the belly - nice fish btw

Thank you lol. 

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8 hours ago, VolFan said:

The broken lines towards the belly make me think it might be a wiper...

Not the same kind of broken lines that hybrids have.

White bass is my bet. The broken lines and the body looks deeper than a wiper. I think the surest way to tell is the tooth patches on the tongue. 

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21 minutes ago, MGF said:

White bass is my bet. The broken lines and the body looks deeper than a wiper. I think the surest way to tell is the tooth patches on the tongue. 

Ya unfortunately I didn’t check and the fish was released 

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1 hour ago, Jig Man said:

Not the same kind of broken lines that hybrids have.

They very quite a bit across locations and age class. I've seen them in TN that look almost exactly like oversized white bass (like a 5lb white bass) with very few broken stripes to double digit ones in Colorado that look like the coding went wrong and they're turning into crappie. Its very hard to guess these things just on a photo with no location or condition. Physical attributes vary widely and can be misleading.

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Send the photo to Ohio DNR so a biologist can help you identify this fish. 

On 10/3/2020 at 8:19 AM, VolFan said:

They very quite a bit across locations and age class. I've seen them in TN that look almost exactly like oversized white bass (like a 5lb white bass) with very few broken stripes to double digit ones in Colorado that look like the coding went wrong and they're turning into crappie. Its very hard to guess these things just on a photo with no location or condition. Physical attributes vary widely and can be misleading.

I have caught hybrid striped bass in South Florida that had continuous line markings and no breaks in the pattern. These fish where very similar to pure striped bass but they where hybrid striped bass. You have to go to Northern Central Florida and Northern Florida to catch a pure striped bass in Florida and every striped bass in South Florida is a hybrid striped bass.

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There are no wipers in Erie.  It's a pure white bass, and a nice one.

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1 hour ago, J Francho said:

There are no wipers in Erie.  It's a pure white bass, and a nice one.

Thanks. I’m excited to get my pin

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It's a pure white bass.

 

Wipers and white bass have broken lines. It's stripers that have nearly all solid lines. Easiest way to tell IMO, white bass will only have 1 distinct line that runs from the gill plate to the tail below the lateral line, wipers will have more than one. The one right above the OP's finger on his right hand is that one line, the rest below do not run the length of the fish.

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13 minutes ago, Sissyfishing said:

Definitely a sandie or sand bass or white bass, btw lmb are sunfish and not bass

That makes sense

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3 hours ago, Sissyfishing said:

Definitely a sandie or sand bass or white bass, btw lmb are sunfish and not bass

Largemouth belong to a group commonly referred to as Black Bass, a group that also includes Smallmouth, Spotted, Kentucky, Shoal, and a seemingly growing list of minor subspecies.  Sunfish, Blue Gill, Bream, Black Bass, and another group of fishes called Pygmy Bass all belong to the family Centrarchidae.  White bass belong to the Family Moronidae, commonly referred to as Temperate Bass or Sea Bass.  One of the three species has misleading common name of White Perch, oddly enough.  Funny thing, Up here, a common name for white perch is "Silver Bass."  All the previous groups are in a larger grouping of Perciformes, or perch-like fish.  A largemouth bass is most certainly a "bass."  Calling largemouth bass a sunfish would be like calling a lemur an ape. 

53 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Largemouth belong to a group commonly referred to as Black Bass, a group that also includes Smallmouth, Spotted, Kentucky, Shoal, and a seemingly growing list of minor subspecies.  Sunfish, Blue Gill, Bream, Black Bass, and another group of fishes called Pygmy Bass all belong to the family Centrarchidae.  White bass belong to the Family Moronidae, commonly referred to as Temperate Bass or Sea Bass.  One of the three species has misleading common name of White Perch, oddly enough.  Funny thing, Up here, a common name for white perch is "Silver Bass."  All the previous groups are in a larger grouping of Perciformes, or perch-like fish.  A largemouth bass is most certainly a "bass."  Calling largemouth bass a sunfish would be like calling a lemur an ape. 

 

4 hours ago, Sissyfishing said:

Definitely a sandie or sand bass or white bass, btw lmb are sunfish and not bass


The “black bass” all fall under the micropterus genus. This list includes SMB, LMB, spots, shoal, guadalupes and so on...Micropterus dolemieu = smallmouth bass, micropterus salmoides = largemouth bass, micropterus punctulatus = spotted bass. None of what we commonly refer to as sunfish are part of the micropterus genus.

 

Bluegills, pumpkinseeds and warmouths (what we commonly call sunfish) etc are all part of the lepomis genus. 
 

However, the micropterus and lepomis species are both part of Centrarchidae family. So they are pretty closely related since they are part of the same family. But still very distinguishable since they belong to different genus. For some reason the scientific community calls any fish in the Centrarchidae family a sunfish. Which can be confusing to us since in common language, sunfish usually refers to a fish in the lepomis genus. I think that’s where the confusion comes from.

 

Now the Centrarchidae family are all part of the Perciformes order like @J Franchoalready mentioned. This is an extremely broad range of fish. It includes a little tiny old bluegill and Goliath groupers. 
 

Here’s a diagram to explain the hierarchy: 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Sissyfishing said:

Yes but true basses white etc. don’t make nests like the black basses (sunfish) do

What makes a white bass a “true bass”? They are just part of a different family of fish. The word “bass” has no scientific meaning and is just a word we use in common language. 

 The white bass belongs to the Morone genus along with yellow bass, striped bass and white perch. They are part of the Moronidae family.

Bass is a name used for species in the Micropterus, Morone, Ambloplites (rock bass, ozark bass) and Centropristis (Black Sea bass, found along the whole east coast) genuses.

 

I don’t know how someone can argue what a “true bass” is but if you were trying to suggest that LMB and White Bass were not directly related then yes you are correct. 

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Not really, I have no idea of what the point of arguing what a "true bass", is? What does it really matter in this context where the OP is asking if his fish is a pure white bass or a hybrid striper?

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