9 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Huh

And why wouldn’t moderate-fast do that?

They are all almost 8’ long and full cork handles, horrible for kayak fishing.

 

Because the slingshot effect would be limited, because only the last quarter of the rod would press it. A parabolic action would create a longer s-swim. The problema is the data for the rod being incomplete... If it is capable of doing what I said, probably isn't overpowered for the task.

You must remember that ratings are unique pretty much to every rod maker.

 

Company A's Moderate could be basically the same as Company B's Moderate Fast.

 

My Moderate Fast has a glass tip.      I bet ska4fun is using a graphite blank?

5 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

I’m not referring to the lure rating but to the ability of the rod to keep fish pinned and not rip trebles out.

Then it's not about lure weight at all, which is what I think you asked.  It's about applying too much force to the line/fish.  The stiffer the rod, the easier it is to apply force.  If you are worried about it then use mono or a long leader which will put some "foregiveness" into the system.  The best system for what you are asking is to have a rod whose power is consistent with the lure weight you want to cast and has a moderate action, especially if it's not very long.  The longer the rod, the less important having a moderate action is for keeping fish pinned.

An over powered rod for any application will not load and cast as well or as accurately, may hinder lure action or presentation and lastly too fast an action may make it hard to keep fish buttoned up to land them. 

An off the shelf option is going to yield some mighty slim pickins given your criteria. A custom rod might be an option.

 

Or, you might consider something like trying a Dobyns Fury 795 SB, rated from 1-5 oz at 7'9.  Put a ring of masking tape up 3" from the bottom of the butt section and see how you feel about casting it and fishing with it. If all that keeps you from loving it is the longer butt section, cut 3" off of it and you have your 7'6" short handle swimbait rod. If you don't particularly like the action of that rod, sell it and continue your search.

10 minutes ago, Big Hands said:

An off the shelf option is going to yield some mighty slim pickins given your criteria. A custom rod might be an option.

 

Or, you might consider something like trying a Dobyns Fury 795 SB, rated from 1-5 oz at 7'9.  Put a ring of masking tape up 3" from the bottom of the butt section and see how you feel about casting it and fishing with it. If all that keeps you from loving it is the longer butt section, cut 3" off of it and you have your 7'6" short handle swimbait rod. If you don't particularly like the action of that rod, sell it and continue your search.

Looks like that Fury has a fast action though, everyone’s saying I need moderate.

11 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Looks like that Fury has a fast action though, everyone’s saying I need moderate.

I have the 806 that's supposed to be 'fast' action and it's not. And the 795 is a step down in power. In addition to that, I think they make what is called a 795SBMT (magnum topwater) which is made with a shorter handle. . . . But it would still be 7'9".

 

Here's a couple screen grabs of that fast action 806. My eyes could be lying, but that doesn't look terribly fast to me.

 

 

I use a more moderate action on my Swimbait rods. If I’m fishing a single hook slow like a Hudd, I use braid. Anything treble and it’s CXX. The slower rod really helps with casting, and in keeping fish pinned. I understand the ‘reel as fast as possible once hooked’ idea, but these are big trebles on big baits. You can play them some with a softer rod, but be aggressive at the same time if that makes sense.

Also - Dobyns actions are slower than advertised and they make GREAT Swimbait sticks.

11 minutes ago, VolFan said:

I use a more moderate action on my Swimbait rods. If I’m fishing a single hook slow like a Hudd, I use braid. Anything treble and it’s CXX. The slower rod really helps with casting, and in keeping fish pinned. I understand the ‘reel as fast as possible once hooked’ idea, but these are big trebles on big baits. You can play them some with a softer rod, but be aggressive at the same time if that makes sense.

Also - Dobyns actions are slower than advertised and they make GREAT Swimbait sticks.

 

50 minutes ago, Big Hands said:

I have the 806 that's supposed to be 'fast' action and it's not. And the 795 is a step down in power. In addition to that, I think they make what is called a 795SBMT (magnum topwater) which is made with a shorter handle. . . . But it would still be 7'9".

 

Here's a couple screen grabs of that fast action 806. My eyes could be lying, but that doesn't look terribly fast to me.

 

 

Does that same rating inaccuracy apply to their Champion line as well? Been wanting the 734C for my do everything but it’s rated fast and I’d be using it for plopper 90 a lot.

Found a couple in my desired length, either of these decent quality/reputable brands?

42 minutes ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Does that same rating inaccuracy apply to their Champion line as well?

Yes

Gary has stated that they fish very similarly, but are made with different materials. They also make a DC794.5 AR (AR = Alabama rig) that has a shorter handle and is rated up to 3.5 ounces that might be of interest.

11 hours ago, Ohioguy25 said:

Looks like that Fury has a fast action though, everyone’s saying I need moderate.

 Not every manufacturer's  "fast" action is the same.  There is a great deal of variation.  I have no idea what Fury's fast action is like. Too bad manufacturers don't give CCS numbers, then we would all be on the same page with respect to power and action.  

 

Keep in mind also that the longer the rod, the less important action is to keeping fish pinned.  I think just about any action will work if the length is 7 1/2 feet.

On 1/26/2023 at 11:08 PM, AlabamaSpothunter said:

yeah, to me moderate is like a pure dedicated crankbait rod,

Or trolling spoons, which also likes a soft deep bending rod...

2 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

Or trolling spoons, which also likes a soft deep bending rod...

Or trolling spoons, which also likes a soft deep bending rod...

You can say that again ?

1 minute ago, Ohioguy25 said:

You can say that again ?

Sure, maybe it will cheer me up...

 

"Or trolling spoons, which also likes a soft deep bending rod"...

1 hour ago, Deleted account said:

Sure, maybe it will cheer me up...

 

"Or trolling spoons, which also likes a soft deep bending rod"...

You know what would cheer me up? 55 degree water ?