Its superior in every way. A coresolid steez, alphas, zillion would only be a massive plus. If its patented, you can let them borrow the t-wing😊cuz i don't it on Daiwas.

In what regard would the daiwas be improved by such change?

 

To me, my Steez, morethans, zillions feel already more refined than a comparable Shimano. Plus the daiwas are often lighter and smoother (especially over time). 

 

Probably there is a reason why Daiwa is not going that route. 

.though a updated Ryoga mit grab my interest!

Is coresolid only on Shimano spinning reels? Can you explain what it is and what benefits it gives? I’m unfamiliar with it.

8 minutes ago, woolleyfooley said:

Is coresolid only on Shimano spinning reels? Can you explain what it is and what benefits it gives? I’m unfamiliar with it.

Google it. AI is your friend and it’s not a spinning reel thang, it’s a Metanium and Bantam thang. 

22 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

Its superior in every way.

Is it though? As far as casting reels go, I much prefer Daiwa over shimano. Shimano doesn't do it for me in any way. Spinning reels, I don't really have a preference since they all feel weird which is why I mostly use BFS.

 

22 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

If its patented, you can let them borrow the t-wing😊cuz i don't it on Daiwas

I love the T-wings and I am a braid to leader guy on just about everything. 

8 hours ago, freelancer27 said:

In what regard would the daiwas be improved by such change?

 

To me, my Steez, morethans, zillions feel already more refined than a comparable Shimano. Plus the daiwas are often lighter and smoother (especially over time). 

 

Probably there is a reason why Daiwa is not going that route. 

.though a updated Ryoga mit grab my interest!

Rigidity is better. The front plate that is usually made out of plastic, is now the frame, which is metal. Less slop between plates is always a positive, and this design is exactly what it offers.

And its the 2024 Met DC that made me believe this. The reel feels like a low profile round reel, which is pretty high praise in my book.

I'm sure they have something worked out.  Daiwa and Shimano work together on certain aspects of reels.  There is no way you can convince me that they both Independently decided to go 2pc I an T knobs at the same time or use very similar color schemes.   Theres no way that the engineers and designers from Shimano wouldn't want to experiment with a 1-piece eggbeater or Daiwa with a 1-piece low pro.

1-piece spinning frames have been around for decades.  It wasn't until somewhat recently Daiwa decided to really expand its MQ lineup into lower PP reels than Saltiga.  It was likley 2015 or slightly earlier when the two companies got together and made some deals.  Daiwa already had a significant advantage in the MQ spinning reel, and Shimano as likely working on the first Core Solid Bantam.  I could see Daiwa and Shimano signing some kind of deal where 1 would control the early Japanese design MQ spinning reel and the other would control the early CS designs on low pros. 

I would bet after a certain period of time that Shimano would be able to put out their own 1 peice body spinning reel and Daiwa could put out their 1 piece low profile  

11 hours ago, freelancer27 said:

In what regard would the daiwas be improved by such change?

 

To me, my Steez, morethans, zillions feel already more refined than a comparable Shimano. Plus the daiwas are often lighter and smoother (especially over time). 

 

Probably there is a reason why Daiwa is not going that route. 

.though a updated Ryoga mit grab my interest!

The rigidity of a 1 pc body is superior to that of a reel with a sideplate.  That means you can lighten a 1 pc frame by at least 20% and still have a significant advantage in terms rigidity over a conventional 2pc design.  The only con to the current core solid design would probably be the height of the frame and the close proximity of the line guide to the spool, which Shimano had already addressed.

! thing I did notice is that Shimano followed Daiwa approach to new tech with the CS frames.  Shimano generally does their homework with their newest tech, so they are very confident debuting that tech into their flagship models.  Daiwa on the other hand does it differently.  For better or worse Daiwa generally wont debut a new tech into a flagship like Steez or Saltiga/Exist, until that tech is proven on a different platform.  

13 hours ago, GetFishorDieTryin said:

I'm sure they have something worked out.  Daiwa and Shimano work together on certain aspects of reels.  There is no way you can convince me that they both Independently decided to go 2pc I an T knobs at the same time or use very similar color schemes.   Theres no way that the engineers and designers from Shimano wouldn't want to experiment with a 1-piece eggbeater or Daiwa with a 1-piece low pro.

1-piece spinning frames have been around for decades.  It wasn't until somewhat recently Daiwa decided to really expand its MQ lineup into lower PP reels than Saltiga.  It was likley 2015 or slightly earlier when the two companies got together and made some deals.  Daiwa already had a significant advantage in the MQ spinning reel, and Shimano as likely working on the first Core Solid Bantam.  I could see Daiwa and Shimano signing some kind of deal where 1 would control the early Japanese design MQ spinning reel and the other would control the early CS designs on low pros. 

I would bet after a certain period of time that Shimano would be able to put out their own 1 peice body spinning reel and Daiwa could put out their 1 piece low profile  

Shimano was very well known to outright steal designs once upon a time.  The most glaring examples are the Lew's BB1, which Lew's contracted out to Shimano to build.  Shimano ended up releasing it under their own branding and called it the Bantam.  That was their first foray into fishing reels.  Before then, they were known more for their cycling equipment.  Fast forward 15 years, and they outright copied the design of the Daiwa SS Tournament for the then new Stradic.  The only real differences were the way the anti-reverse was implemented and the lack of an external bail trip.  The SS Tournament would stay the same throughout its entire run until it was discontinued in 2022.  The Stradic has underwent many changes, but it's still the same basic design of the SS Tournament.  To my knowledge, the only spinner Daiwa makes with a level wind now is the Exist.

On 5/21/2025 at 6:11 PM, F14A-B said:

Google it. AI is your friend and it’s not a spinning reel thang, it’s a Metanium and Bantam thang. 

Ah, ok. I did google it but all I saw were spinning reels in the “coresolid” section. 
 

https://fish.shimano.com/en-GB/content/c/Coresolid.html

 

I’ll have to do some more digging.

Core solid as it pertains to the Bantam and Metanium series I believe the Alde has it too. 

22 minutes ago, woolleyfooley said:

Ah, ok. I did google it but all I saw were spinning reels in the “coresolid” section. 
 

https://fish.shimano.com/en-GB/content/c/Coresolid.html

 

I’ll have to do some more digging.

I’m honestly not sure why they label the spinning reels as core solid, they look to be the same in manufacturing as they ever were. This is also the first time I’ve seen the spinning reels with that moniker..but the Japanese are odd w the manufacturing lingo lol 

 

it is interesting the way they’ve chosen to machine the baitcast reels in this manner. The 22 Bantam are like little tanks. The only thing that gives me pause are the Micro Module gear sets. 

23 hours ago, redmeansdistortion said:

Fast forward 15 years, and they outright copied the design of the Daiwa SS Tournament for the then new Stradic.  The only real differences were the way the anti-reverse was implemented and the lack of an external bail trip.  The SS Tournament would stay the same throughout its entire run until it was discontinued in 2022. 

 Wasn't the SS Tournament not balanced as well? like the rotor had wobble? The stradics and symetres of the day had dynabalance so there was no wobble. 

On 5/22/2025 at 6:41 PM, F14A-B said:

Core solid as it pertains to the Bantam and Metanium series I believe the Alde has it too. 

Looks almost just like an Abu Garcia Torno from 25 years ago. Lol. 😂 

22 hours ago, Hulkster said:

 Wasn't the SS Tournament not balanced as well? like the rotor had wobble? The stradics and symetres of the day had dynabalance so there was no wobble. 

I have read about that but I haven't experienced it myself.  I have a pair of 700s and a pair of 1300s and they're both fine.  One of my 1300s is almost 35 years old and the other is 20 years old.  My 700s are 10 and 5 years old.

On 5/22/2025 at 12:16 PM, redmeansdistortion said:

Shimano was very well known to outright steal designs once upon a time.  The most glaring examples are the Lew's BB1, which Lew's contracted out to Shimano to build.  Shimano ended up releasing it under their own branding and called it the Bantam.  That was their first foray into fishing reels.  Before then, they were known more for their cycling equipment.  Fast forward 15 years, and they outright copied the design of the Daiwa SS Tournament for the then new Stradic.  The only real differences were the way the anti-reverse was implemented and the lack of an external bail trip.  The SS Tournament would stay the same throughout its entire run until it was discontinued in 2022.  The Stradic has underwent many changes, but it's still the same basic design of the SS Tournament.  To my knowledge, the only spinner Daiwa makes with a level wind now is the Exist.

Shimano contracted other companies.  I think Daiwa actually built one of their first reels.

I wouldn't necessarily say Shimano blatantly copied the BB1.  Childre convinced Shimano to get into the market as he knew Shimanos expertise and quality would translate very well to the fishing industry.  Childre contracted Shimano to build the BB1.  The reels were an instant success and sold very well.  Lew wanted to build a smaller version of the BB1 and kind of dropping hints in the industry that a BB0 was in the works. 

In 77', Lew died unexpectedly in a plane crash.  Lew must have still had some ambition to work with Shimano, because Shimano at the very least knew about Lew's desire to build the smaller BB0 and was likely working on aspects of the reel at the time of Lews death. For whatever reason, Lew Childre and Sons had a falling out with Shimano.  Instead of the contract going to Shimano, it went to another Japanese company, I want to say Ryobi picked it up, but I could be wrong.  

It was at this point that Shimano decided to invest fully into the fishing industry and create a reel.  In 78' the Bantam was debuted at a large fishing show.  Although the reel was available for order it took some time to fulfil deliveries, which weren't until the following year.

The Batam wasn't just a BB1 made by Shimano.  It was actually improved, being smaller and lighter than BB1.  I want to they added a feature as well, but I can't recall what it was.