hi gents,

 

I need to pool the collective wisdom.  I need a big gape hook but I don’t want a heavy wire.  I currently use owner beast 6/0 for toads and similar.  That’s great for my bigger frog and toad rod with 50 lb braid, but I want to throw something similar on a one power lighter rod and not braid.  A standard wire hook is fine, but I need it in a big gape.  The hayabusa wide gape might do it but I’ve never seen one in person.  The lazer Trokar would be big enough, but that’s too heavy of a wire (I have some).  The gamakatsu super line spring lock looks like it might work but I’d need a sizing reco.  

 

Any thoughts?

 

rick

 

What bait(s) are you needing this hook for ?

Worm, creature, jellyfish ?

A-Jay

Ryugi Infini 

25 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

What bait(s) are you needing this hook for ?

Worm, creature, jellyfish ?

A-Jay

 

I should have just said it in the first post but I don’t want to scream about them because I think they are going to be hot.  Strike king rage tail buzz minnow.  Basically a slightly thicker toad body with a single big toad foot off the back.  I threw it for 5 minutes the other day and it is a combination of a toad, plopper, and buzzbait in a fully weedless outfit.  It is almost as loud as a buzzbait but with a plopper type of ploop sound and cadence.  The 6/0 beast is the right size and I can fish it on my big rod just fine, but for night time close in casting I want something just a little more tippy.  

OK - I'm going to pretend you didn't mention the bait.

Here's some options that should be a little lighter wire but still stout 

and run pretty close to the size hooks you're familiar with.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Owner_Wide_Gap_Plus_Black_Chrome_Hooks/descpage-O5139.html

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Gamakatsu_Nano_Alpha_EWG_Worm_Hooks/descpage-GNAWH.html

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/BKK_Armor_Point_Offset_Worm_WG_Hooks/descpage-BKKAPO.html

Good Luck with that mystery bit.

A-Jay

10 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

OK - I'm going to pretend you didn't mention the bait.

Here's some options that should be a little lighter wire but still stout 

and run pretty close to the size hooks you're familiar with.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Owner_Wide_Gap_Plus_Black_Chrome_Hooks/descpage-O5139.html

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Gamakatsu_Nano_Alpha_EWG_Worm_Hooks/descpage-GNAWH.html

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/BKK_Armor_Point_Offset_Worm_WG_Hooks/descpage-BKKAPO.html

Good Luck with that mystery bit.

A-Jay

 

Thanks.  I should have specified in the first post, I was looking for a screw lock.  I can add a cps lock if it has the upturned eye though.  

12 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

Thanks.  I should have specified in the first post, I was looking for a screw lock.  I can add a cps lock if it has the upturned eye though.  

You're killing me Smalls.

A-Jay

28 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

I should have just said it in the first post but I don’t want to scream about them because I think they are going to be hot.  Strike king rage tail buzz minnow.  Basically a slightly thicker toad body with a single big toad foot off the back.  I threw it for 5 minutes the other day and it is a combination of a toad, plopper, and buzzbait in a fully weedless outfit.  It is almost as loud as a buzzbait but with a plopper type of ploop sound and cadence.  The 6/0 beast is the right size and I can fish it on my big rod just fine, but for night time close in casting I want something just a little more tippy.  

 

21 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

OK - I'm going to pretend you didn't mention the bait.

Here's some options that should be a little lighter wire but still stout 

and run pretty close to the size hooks you're familiar with.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Owner_Wide_Gap_Plus_Black_Chrome_Hooks/descpage-O5139.html

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Gamakatsu_Nano_Alpha_EWG_Worm_Hooks/descpage-GNAWH.html

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/BKK_Armor_Point_Offset_Worm_WG_Hooks/descpage-BKKAPO.html

Good Luck with that mystery bit.

A-Jay

 

 

Too late, I just bought out TW's stock.

 

Berkley Fusion 19 7/0 Swimbait hook laid over an Owner Beast 6/0. Keitech Noisy Flapper rigged on the Fusion. Might work for you.

Berkley Fusion19 Swimbait Hooks 4pk | Tackle Warehouse

 

 

 

For frogs like the Zoom Horny Toad I have been using the Hayabusa Hyper Tornado in a 5/0.  Great hook but my only complaint is that the screw is not closed really well. You need to pinch it shut and make sure you screw the keeper in as far as you can. 

4 hours ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

I should have just said it in the first post but I don’t want to scream about them because I think they are going to be hot.  Strike king rage tail buzz minnow.  Basically a slightly thicker toad body with a single big toad foot off the back.  I threw it for 5 minutes the other day and it is a combination of a toad, plopper, and buzzbait in a fully weedless outfit.  It is almost as loud as a buzzbait but with a plopper type of ploop sound and cadence.  The 6/0 beast is the right size and I can fish it on my big rod just fine, but for night time close in casting I want something just a little more tippy.  

 

Interesting. Looks like an update on the old Rage Shad. 

https://www.strikeking.com/en/shop/soft-baits/rgshd

8 hours ago, FishTank said:

For frogs like the Zoom Horny Toad I have been using the Hayabusa Hyper Tornado in a 5/0.  Great hook but my only complaint is that the screw is not closed really well. You need to pinch it shut and make sure you screw the keeper in as far as you can. 

 

Thanks, I'll have a look.  I could always swap out for the owner CPS spring.  I keep a bag in the boat.

 

8 hours ago, MIbassyaker said:

 

Interesting. Looks like an update on the old Rage Shad. 

https://www.strikeking.com/en/shop/soft-baits/rgshd

 

Yeah, more or less.  It was a 2024 icast launch but I just saw it with my last TW order.  There is an icast video on TW with a bit more info.  For me, I have a lot of lakes where I've got heavy vegetation that goes to sparse vegetation, back to a heavy patch, etc for a long distance around the shoreline that holds bass.  A buzzbait is my preferred bait but you get a limited run because you have to hit it in an open hole to start it up and then burn it across the thicker stuff so it doesn't get messy.  When there are channels in the weeds I might even throw a plopper but you can only get a couple longer runs down the channels.  I'll swap rods every couple casts and I'm still not covering it fully.  I'll usually have a toad on also and throw it up into the slop.  This will be an all in one and if it catches as well as the others it will be a winner for me.  

15 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

Thanks, I'll have a look.  I could always swap out for the owner CPS spring.  I keep a bag in the boat.

 

Those CPS springs are awesome.  I use them for drop shotting fuzzy dice baits and whatever else I can think of. Maybe find the hook you like and go that route.  For me I like the 5/0 Ryugi Infini but for really thick baits, I use the Owner Wide Gap Plus.

If you go Gammy superline, which I like, I'd think the 7/0 matches closer to the beast 6/0.  I don't have a direct comparison available to take a pic, just remember the superlines felt a touch narrower/smaller.

 

scott

Hayabusa gap is really big - I have them for Fat Ikas.