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Can you guess what kind of rod this is,(was) ?

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Did you guess

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Don't ask how this happened because I ain't got a clue.  All I know is I am extremely PSSSSSSD OFF.

I already contacted G-Loomis and they will have a brand new one on my door step by the end of the week for $50.00.

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No need to get mad, that's what the *unconditional* warranty is for. At least you have a good company standing behind you.

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So...

What's the problem?

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So...

What's the problem?

I'm without my topwater plug rod for a week.  Isn't that bad enough?

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Sorry that it happened. That is a strange place for a break. You went the expeditor route I see.  With a break like that, and you getting your rod, do you know if GLoomis is going to tell you if it was the result of a defect?When I saw that blue color, I actually thought it was a Shakespeare Barbie pole.  ::(  Don't be too harsh on them.

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So...

What's the problem?

If you look where it broke, that's no "slammed in door" break.  Now, after spending $300(?), he has to spend another $50 and is w/o a rod for a week.

For me,...that would be a problem. >:(

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So...

What's the problem?

If you look where it broke, that's no "slammed in door" break. Now, after spending $300(?), he has to spend another $50 and is w/o a rod for a week.

For me,...that would be a problem. >:(

Surely you are just stirring the pot... he didn't say how happened and it's a Greenwater   $200 ish.

For us regular guys, it cost in the $20-30 range to ship a rod. The Xpeditor is great for any non UPS or Fedex employee. Loomis requires the broken rod be returned... and for REGULAR guys, shipping and return shipping cost more than $50 and at least Loomis sends the replacement first to provide a return tube.

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I was upset when I wrote the original post.  It wasn't 300 for the rod. I believe it was 225.  

Good observations guys. The break is below the round part of the guide which rules out slamming it in the door, etc.  It broke at the taper too.  

I did go the xpeditor route because if it's a manufacturer defect you still have to pay shipping and handling. But if they say it's my fault then the bill would be more than 50 bucks.  I did not want to chance them trying to screw me and say it was user error so I payed the 50 bucks no questions asked route.

It does make one wonder though that how much they mark up their rods to cover the $50 no questions asked warranty. They are giving me the exact rod brand new for $50 when it retails for $225.

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It does make one wonder though that how much they mark up their rods to cover the $50 no questions asked warranty. They are giving me the exact rod brand new for $50 when it retails for $225.

I can tell you exactly how much the price changed when the Xpeditor warranty was introduced. $0.00 That's right, the price did not go up when they began that program. What's more impressive is that the prices have gone up slower than inflation... My first MBR784 IMX was $225 in 1994 (I remember because that was the summer I bought my first good boat) anyway, the cost of the same rod (including the Xpeditor warranty is now $245 and the 783, 785 and 844 are about the same % of increase in that same time period.

Remember it's the shipping you pay- for the new rod and the return shipping of the old one. The rod itself is replaced at no actual cost to you. And thus the term "warranty" and not insurance.

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G Loomis has been operating on an economy of scale for years.  But their rods have always been, and continue to be, extremely expensive.  It seems they should be passing along some sort of savings to their customers.  

I'm not saying Loomis rods aren't quality products, but there is little doubt that name pushes that premium price.  I'm not sure the best G Loomis rod is really worth hundreds more than some lower priced, high quality competitors.  

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I guess it's likes Hewes flats boats.  Their boat are awsome but they are price way high.  They are priced high because of the name.

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It does make one wonder though that how much they mark up their rods to cover the $50 no questions asked warranty. They are giving me the exact rod brand new for $50 when it retails for $225.

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First thing i see is a saltwater rod used for bass fishing?Weight alone to put me away from that greenwater line,the originals are much lighter in weight.But here we go again in less than two days bashing high dollar equipment,i have said before you get what you pay for,thats why i drive 4 runners,landcruisers,yes they  cost more but i am driving them down the road not sitting in a repair shop with recalls where they won't built worth a crap to begin with... :( ::)Slight rant... ;D

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There is a point to this there are only a few companies worldwide that make blanks >for instance i have a few Rapala rods the blanks look identical to a loomis mossyback same scrim and all same guide distance i measured it my buddy has the MB same weight even even the same color thread thats the same lenght also,,ok so what if loomis does make there own blanks if they sign a  contract to make blanks for another company for 2 yrs and sell each blank for 20 bucks and said company is selling the rods for 50 bucks.That company can put any name on it as long as it dont say loomis and only have a 1 yr warrenty .Niether company is loosing anything  :(

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First thing i see is a saltwater rod used for bass fishing?Weight alone to put me away from that greenwater line,the originals are much lighter in weight.But here we go again in less than two days bashing high dollar equipment,i have said before you get what you pay for,thats why i drive 4 runners,landcruisers,yes they cost more but i am driving them down the road not sitting in a repair shop with recalls where they won't built worth a crap to begin with... :( ::)Slight rant... ;D

Your logic is flawed. You like Toyotas because you get more time on the road, less time in the shop. Gloomis rods seem to break more often than lesser price rods, which is costing Bassn Blvd time on the water.

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                    Gloomis rods seem to break more often than lesser price rods,              

The reason could be more of G Loomis are in use.     Some people can  break a solid steel rod

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there are only a few companies worldwide that make blanks

Not so... there at least a dozen in the US alone.  I wouldn't even guess how many there are outside the U.S.

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G Loomis has been operating on an economy of scale for years. But their rods have always been, and continue to be, extremely expensive. It seems they should be passing along some sort of savings to their customers.

I'm not saying Loomis rods aren't quality products, but there is little doubt that name pushes that premium price. I'm not sure the best G Loomis rod is really worth hundreds more than some lower priced, high quality competitors.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It seems to me that the Loomis "name" was established by delivering high quality, dependable fishing rods over a number of decades. Their reputation has been "built" not created. For most longtime customers, the name is sonomonous with dependability. There is a cost for design, engineering, craftsmanship and quality components. I don't consider G.Loomis to be overpriced, but very reasonably priced.

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from the looks of the pic's it looks as if he reefed on the rod to get a snag loose- I say that because a few years back when I was, well lets say less educated in fishing- I did the same thing and the rod- a Reddington broke in the same place- sounded like a gun went off- I was on a river and couldn't get to the snag- being a mallet head I just kept jerking the rod at 10'0clock and bang- everyone aournd me was like idiot!!! The rod broke clean in half right at the taper very much like the one in this thread... Who knows but my point being- it is possible that it broke due to miss use- I could brake any high mod graphite rod on a snag if I wanted to.  Just had to say this since the break looked very familiar.

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It seems to me that the Loomis "name" was established by delivering high quality, dependable fishing rods over a number of decades. Their reputation has been "built" not created. For most longtime customers, the name is sonomonous with dependability. There is a cost for design, engineering, craftsmanship and quality components. I don't consider G.Loomis to be overpriced, but very reasonably priced.

It matters not which came first.  The issue is where we are now.

I'm certain Loomis rods are high quality.  That high quality was as a result of good research and developement.  However, Loomis doesn't operate in a vacuum.  There are other companies out there with equally good products resulting from equally good research and development.  Yet they can offer their products for significantly less.  

Loomis operates on an economy of scale, as previously stated.   They take advantage of technology, production techniques, and sheer volume that ought to lower the costs of their rods - yet their products are among the most expensive mass produced rods available.  And I don't see anything particularly extraordinary about them.  They use common components, and I never heard a compelling account that they perform any better than other premium rods that sell for much less.   In fact, some sources suggest their more expensive offerings have characterisitics similar to much less expensive rods:

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfenwickhmg.html

What's a Fenwick HMG costs?  $120?  And a Loomis GLX?  $200 more than that?

I'm not saying Loomis builds bad rods.  I'm sure their rods are fantastic.  But I'm also sure (opinion) there is some element of "illusionary quality" associated with Loomis that is driven by a name and high price.   Some people subscribe to the notion that "price buys quality" when in reality there are numerous examples of "price belying quality."  

If you want to spend $320 on a Loomis rod, I don't begrudge it to you one iota.  I know there is a high degree of pride of ownership with respect to Loomis rods (and that has value, too).  

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It seems to me that the Loomis "name" was established by delivering high quality, dependable fishing rods over a number of decades. Their reputation has been "built" not created. For most longtime customers, the name is sonomonous with dependability. There is a cost for design, engineering, craftsmanship and quality components. I don't consider G.Loomis to be overpriced, but very reasonably priced.

It matters not which came first. The issue is where we are now.

I'm certain Loomis rods are high quality. That high quality was as a result of good research and developement. However, Loomis doesn't operate in a vacuum. There are other companies out there with equally good products resulting from equally good research and development. Yet they can offer their products for significantly less.

Loomis operates on an economy of scale, as previously stated. They take advantage of technology, production techniques, and sheer volume that ought to lower the costs of their rods - yet their products are among the most expensive mass produced rods available. And I don't see anything particularly extraordinary about them. They use common components, and I never heard a compelling account that they perform any better than other premium rods that sell for much less. In fact, some sources suggest their more expensive offerings have characterisitics similar to much less expensive rods:

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfenwickhmg.html

What's a Fenwick HMG costs? $120? And a Loomis GLX? $200 more than that?

I'm not saying Loomis builds bad rods. I'm sure their rods are fantastic. But I'm also sure (opinion) there is some element of "illusionary quality" associated with Loomis that is driven by a name and high price. Some people subscribe to the notion that "price buys quality" when in reality there are numerous examples of "price belying quality."

If you want to spend $320 on a Loomis rod, I don't begrudge it to you one iota. I know there is a high degree of pride of ownership with respect to Loomis rods (and that has value, too).

Gotta love capitalism- as long as there is demand for G-Loomis products the price will follow accordingly- BTW comparing a G-Loomis GLX to a Fenwick HMG is like apples and oranges- I own both.  Mind you I have never spent FULL retail for a G-Loomis rod, never bought a used one either- I own GL3's on up to the GLX- most I have ever spent on a single rod is 210.00- a savy purchaser this day and age should NEVER spend full retail on a product- especially fishing gear! Hello the world wide web- UNLESS it is just out and that is just the way it is.  This reply is directed at no one in particular well the GLX to a HMG kinda got me... LOL

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G-Loomis GLX to a Fenwick HMG is like apples and oranges- I own both...This reply is directed at no one in particular well the GLX to a HMG kinda got me... LOL

Why is it not a proper comparison?  Same class rods, same intended purposes.  More like comparing a less expensive apple to a very expensive apple.

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