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If you fish a blade then you know that the size of the weight of the spinnerbait and the blade size need to be in synch, bigger blade with smaller weight means the bait will swim higher in the water and smaller blade with bigger weight creates less lift so it can stay deeper. So when you want to fish deep with a spinner bait you can change top a smaller blade on a 3/4 or so how ever my money making spinner baits are 3/8 and 1/2 and i cant keep them deep enough. On the water the other day i put my mind to work and wanted to get my bait deeper but didnt have small enough blades so I came up with an idea and have yet to try it so just looking for opinions, my idea is to take a drop shot weight and slide it on the hook and then put a hook stop that you would use for a trailer hook. Any thoughts? I think you can adjust the the depth of your bait on the fly alot quicker. 

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I throw heavier spinnerbaits to go deep.  3/4 to 1-1/2 oz.

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Hello and Welcome to Bass Resource ~

I use solder wrapped around the shank of the hook.  Extra weight plus blade size reduction helps for casting distance, keeps bait deeper and will help keep a high speed burned bait tracking true & in the water.

A-Jay

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Add a 1/2 oz tungsten bullet weigh in front of the spinnerbait and peg it using rubber peg.

Indiana blades have less lift then willows for reference when slow rolling.

Tom

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58 minutes ago, WRB said:

 

Indiana blades have less lift then willows for reference when slow rolling.

Tom

I thought Indiana blades had more lift ,  between a willow and Colorado .

 

 

 

I make deep water spinnerbaits and put small willows on heavy baits and cut the wire down to make it more compact .

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Like WRB I have pegged worm weights ahead of the lure , added rubber core sinkers with the rubber removed on the hook  and use DOA crimp on weights .

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Willows have the most lift with minimum drag, Colorado have less lift and more drag (water resistance) and Indiana are inbetween. There is difference between lift and drag; lift moves towards the surface and drag is more force to move forward. I make twin spins using #2 Colorado blades to maintain slow forward speed and still stay deep for example.

Tom

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First I slow roll a 1/2 oz Stanley Vibra-Wedge Spinnerbaits on a 5.0:1 gear ratio reel. Because of the Wedge shaped blades this spinnerbait with all hardware is easily 3/4+.

Second I took lessons from Paul Elias & kneel-n-reel!

Kneel & reel will put your spinnerbaits & Traps 4-5' lower.

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In-Fisherman boys suggested pinching a rubber core sinker (after removing the rubber) to the hook shank of spinnerbait some years ago...

 

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2 hours ago, WRB said:

Willows have the most lift with minimum drag, Colorado have less lift and more drag (water resistance) and Indiana are inbetween. There is difference between lift and drag; lift moves towards the surface and drag is more force to move forward. I make twin spins using #2 Colorado blades to maintain slow forward speed and still stay deep for example.

Tom

The drag is how the blades provide lift, is it not? 

Consider a spinnerbait retrieved at a steady speed - the line pulls the bait ahead and upward.  The horizontal component of the line tension is offset by bait's drag through the water.  What's left is the upward component of the line tension, which, together with any 'planing' forces on the head/body (and buoyancy), is the "lift".  When a bait has more resistance through the water, you have to apply more force on the line to retrieve the lure at the same speed.  This increases both the horizontal and vertical components of force through the line (increased horizontal force offsets increased drag, increased vertical force results in greater lift).

The running depth is the balancing point where the downward pull of gravity is matched by upward lifting forces on the bait.  When you burn a spinnerbait you increase the tension on the line, which increases lift (any planing forces are also speed-dependent).  The bait responds by rising in the water column, which decreases the upward angle your line, which decreases lift – everything is kept in balance.

The takeaway is that to increase running depth there are several approaches, mostly already covered in previous posts, and mostly pretty intuitive:

  • slow down your retrieve (reduce drag, which reduces line tension, which reduces lift)
  • make the bait heavier (increase the gravitational force) without adding bulk
  • use fewer, smaller, or lower resistance blades (reduce drag)
  • use a less bulky skirt or pull out some strands (reduce drag)
  • don’t use a plastic trailer (reduce drag, planing, buoyancy)
  • use a more compact bait without cutting weight (reduce drag, planing, buoyancy)
  • choose a more streamlined or keel-shaped head (reduce planing)
  • lower your rod tip or kneel-n-reel, as suggested (decrease angle of pull, which reduces lift) 

 

I rarely slow-roll a spinnerbait but use the rubber-core sinker trick to take compact, small bladed spinnerbaits and make them more "burnable."  There are weights intended to be used for "DIY" belly-weighted hooks, these are a bit softer lead than some of the rubber cores, with a wider slot to accommodate a thick hook.  The OP's suggestion of using a DS weight should work just as well and be easier to swap on and off, just not as pretty :D.  I used to have some "dog-ear" weights, similar to the rubber core but had lead "flaps" to fold and grip the hook (line), much easier to take on and off.

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Yeah, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around a willow providing more lift, also. I would assume blade rotation speed (for a set forward speed) would come into play (willows are fastest, Colorado's usually slowest) as well as possibly angle of rotation (Colorado's generally greatest, willows usually smallest). I've also seen some argue torque fits into the equation. Surprisingly, I've found several respected people who have concurred with Tom's statement, but more that have not.

Tom, any extra insight or explanation for us 'measurebators' would be greatly appreciated B) In your twin spin analogy, my initial thought is that you'd be forced to use Colorado's not because of less lift, but because of drag and torque, which wouldn't allow a willow blade to spin appropriately at such slow speeds and depth.

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3 hours ago, OkobojiEagle said:

In-Fisherman boys suggested pinching a rubber core sinker (after removing the rubber) to the hook shank of spinnerbait some years ago...

 

oe

This is what I've done in the past but not sure they even make rubber core sinkers anymore?

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2 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

This is what I've done in the past but not sure they even make rubber core sinkers anymore?

You can still buy them at Dick, Water Gremlin brand I think. I have several packs.

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The size of the blades and weight of the bait determine how your bait will perform. Not only do the blades cause lift but also torque, a 1/2oz bait with a #6 willow or #7 Indiana blade will roll on its side at higher speeds so that needs to be accounted for as well. When I make a bait for deep water it is specifically for slow rolling and will always be a single blade and I'll bend the wire at a steeper angle, this cuts down a little drag and will keep it from lifting as much as a more open angle.

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That's how I roll...well slow roll ;)

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4 hours ago, Catt said:

That's how I roll...well slow roll ;)

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I like the wire tie on for the skirt.

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    If need be,.....those long thin cylindrical drop shot weights and a piece of heat shrink tubing on the hook and a cigarette lighter works wonders as well. And when your done? they cut off just as easy as they go on. I found this trick on a different site yesterday. he used a bait bucket airline and superglue, but i think a peice of heat shrink would work better

   As far as slow rolling or burning? bring out a few dozen different spinnerbaits like I do, and you should have one to fish the way you want. lol

 I bring baits from 1/8 oz to 1 oz different blades, colors, configurations. I've yet to need what I dont have with me.

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All anyone needs to do is experiment with various blade combinations and you will figure out what works for.

Tom

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13 minutes ago, georgeyew said:

How timely, just a couple of days after the discussion, *** has an article on this exact topic:

http://www.***/outdoors/***/story/1734052-modify-small-spinnerbaits-to-fish-everything

Repost link . I'm not getting it .

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The post was automatically filtered which is probably a result of copyright guidelines.

DO NOT repost in an attempt to thwart the screening system which is strictly forbidden.

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