1 hour ago, david in va said:

How about the politician that fishes

Oh man... I can still picture: Bill Clinton looking silly in a duck blind, HW Bush casting off a dock holding his spinning rod upside down, and Dick Cheney with a guide-caught brown trout. At least Cheney's reel was in the right orientation. BS meters pinned.

Just don't go bird hunting with Cheney...

I subscribe to a lot of cable channels and of course record a lot of fishing shows and watch a lot of them since they come on January 1st and I'm usually, like most of you, going crazy waiting for spring to show up.  But after five or six years of watching the shows it's finally sinking in their fishing relates very little to my fishing, even the BassMaster tournaments relate very little to my fishing.  The only show I find relatable, as others have said, is Major League Fishing.   I used to think watching the shows could help me a little by informing me of new ways to fish.  Now I doubt even that.  With the internet, forums and Youtube, I learn far more and far earlier on the net than from the fishing shows.   The only other show I really enjoy along with Major League Fishign is Saltwater Experience because those two guys don't push lures much, if at all.   

 

 I would say the educational value of the fishing shows is around 0.0001% per episode. Hook and Look might be 0.0002%.  

 

I am interested in how well Major League Fishing is doing.  Has anybody heard if they are making money from this series?  I'm not positive, but I don't think there are any other two hour programs on the Outdoor Channel besides MLF and theatrical movies.  

As long as the content isn't expressly misrepresented, I don't have an issue with creative editing. You don't think Marlon Perkins actually outran a rhino? (someone explain it to the young guys). I used to watch one of Larry Dahlberg's shows just for the horrible reel drag and fish splash dubs, much like an old karate movie.

Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom." Watched the show all the time as a kid. Marlin was head of Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago, which I got to visit regularly. The co-host, Jim Fowler, is still alive and well and in his 80s now.

 

54 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom." Watched the show all the time as a kid. Marlin was head of Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago, which I got to visit regularly. The co-host, Jim Fowler, is still alive and well and in his 80s now.

 

 

 

Never missed an episode of Wild Kingdom (Perkins & Fowler), I loved the show.

 

I remember one episode where Marlin was chased up a tree,

apparently by a tame bear which came within inches of his legs   

 

Roger

Ive been on Fishing With Roland Martins Show 3 times. There was one time in Lake O we couldnt catch squat -Even with senkos- That was a waste of 3 days and lots of money. Next few times I went down and we got them good.What I will say is there definitly was some bleeping out of words because of misses on some fish. One thing I will say -when I caught this fish and the others Roland was as super excited for me to catch them as catching them himself.

SoCal's small trophy bass lakes have sanctuary areas buoyed off  "no trespassing" signs.

You can get a special permit to fish the closed areas and most vedio's showing celebrity fishing and well known pro's fishing our lakes are filmed in the sanctuary areas. I have been asked on a few occasions to fish inside the closed areas during filming and catch big bass for film crew. I am always happy to be able to fish in the closed areas and could care less if the celebrity catch was faked as long as the bass is released heathy.

What you see on fishing programs should be taken with a grain of salt.

Tom

33 minutes ago, WRB said:

SoCal's small trophy bass lakes have sanctuary areas buoyed off  "no trespassing" signs.

You can get a special permit to fish the closed areas and most vedio's showing celebrity fishing and well known pro's fishing our lakes are filmed in the sanctuary areas. I have been asked on a few occasions to fish inside the closed areas during filming and catch big bass for film crew. I am always happy to be able to fish in the closed areas and could care less if the celebrity catch was faked as long as the bass is released heathy.

What you see on fishing programs should be taken with a grain of salt.

Tom

So what do you do, fish ahead of them with their gear and let them know when you have one on and they just edit out you handing them the pole with a fish on? 

38 minutes ago, 12poundbass said:

So what do you do, fish ahead of them with their gear and let them know when you have one on and they just edit out you handing them the pole with a fish on? 

No, I fish independently, catch a big bass and give it to the film crew boat on the cobitionn they handle it carefully and release it. The film crew takes the bass over to the boat being filmed. This is probably a common practice for fishing programs everywhere.

Tom

15 minutes ago, WRB said:

No, I fish independently, catch a big bass and give it to the film crew boat on the cobitionn they handle it carefully and release it. The film crew takes the bass over to the boat being filmed. This is probably a common practice for fishing programs everywhere.

Tom

 

 

There is something so dishonest about that whole thing!!!!!!!!

45 minutes ago, WRB said:

No, I fish independently, catch a big bass and give it to the film crew boat on the cobitionn they handle it carefully and release it. The film crew takes the bass over to the boat being filmed. This is probably a common practice for fishing programs everywhere.

Tom

 

 

 

 Wow, now that is super fake.  Have any of the bass you caught and handed over made it on any of the popular fishing shows on cable TV?  

Pretty common for the Grip n' Grin shots at the ramp, too.

10 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom." Watched the show all the time as a kid. Marlin was head of Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago, which I got to visit regularly. The co-host, Jim Fowler, is still alive and well and in his 80s now.

 

 

 

 

Wow, did I love that show.  Fowler was put in some hairy situations!

Here's a funny story, relayed to me by Mike D of Lunkerville.  He actually had to edit footage so it looked like they weren't catching for an episode.  That's a show that is real catches, and real fisherman.  Several of my friends have been featured, including a few of our members.

On 4/23/2017 at 7:17 PM, hoosierbass07 said:

... I used to think watching the shows could help me a little by informing me of new ways to fish.  Now I doubt even that.  With the internet, forums and Youtube, I learn far more and far earlier on the net than from the fishing shows. ...

Ditto. Same even for a lot of fishing articles. The thing that always got me was the statement "depending upon conditions". I would holler "What conditions!" Now, I know its complicated, but that's the important stuff.

 

Now trying to produce my own I realize how much real time goes into producing content -esp truly educational content. It's like the difference between reading the book and watching the movie. The book may take a week to read -the movie 2 hrs. Movies/video require a focus, not bite off too much at a go. If that focus must include selling a product or some other thing, the educational content gets short shrift. I understand the needs of commercial interests, and adding in the time it takes to get nature to cooperate, I can understand the challenges. That said, it's a slippery slope, and it appears some slip easier than others.

Put yourself in the boat with film/vedio producer where time is money what would you do?

1. Go to a lake where the bite is on so you have a high % of success.

2. Schedule a time with good weather and seasonal period that insures a successful trip that supports the presentation you plan to film.

3. Have a back up plan, this is when things tend to get staged.

Tom

 I guess I can understand the concept behind those sanctuary areas on those California lakes. Have a special area for the celebrities to fish, show off the big bass California has, and promote tourism.  Still, It seems like if they produce a show like this, it's as real as Gilligan's Island was real.  

20 minutes ago, hoosierbass07 said:

it's as real as Gilligan's Island was real.  

Whoa there..... The Professor, Gilligan, Ginger, Mr Howell weren't really stranded on a desert Island? There was no Minnow?

 

Next thing you'll be saying there's no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny.... !!!

 

I am good with all that I guess, as long as you don't start questioning the Phantom Devil Monster Bass that hides under the tree by the dock near the dam... been known to eat a small child or two.... only comes out at Midnight on a second full moon of the month....

 

On 4/24/2017 at 1:50 PM, WRB said:

 

NM