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Fluoro on baitcaster - Advice needed

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Hello Guys,

 

I've been using baitcasters for a few years now. I have 2 Revo SX with #40 braid and 1 Revo SX with #12 Berkley Sensation mono. I have no problem with theses at all they all work like a charm.

 

Recently I bought a Revo Premier and decided I would give Fluoro a shot with some Berkley #12 Trilene 100% Fluoro.

 

Now I'm having a lot of problem with it and backlash constantly... I have the brake maxed out and it seem that the only way for me not to backlash is to do slow gentle cast which does not work for me. As soon as I do a firm overhead or roll cast it backlash on me (even worst in the wind). What am I doing wrong here?

 

I am thinking it might be over spooled at this point so I was going to remove some line next. Also when I do a long cast it seem to backlash in the middle of the cast but it goes away if the cast is long enough.

 

I never has any problem with braid and mono so I am assuming I am using it correctly.

 

Thoughts..?

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Could be that the line is just too stiff. Tatsu is my line of choice, but for a lower pricing point I 

would recommend Seaguar AbrazX #12.  Another option that a lot of guys are using is braid

with a fluorocarbon leader. If you go that route just about any fluoro will do.

 

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2 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

Could be that the line is just too stiff. Tatsu is my line of choice, but for a lower pricing point I 

would recommend Seaguar AbrazX #12.  Another option that a lot of guys are using is braid

with a fluorocarbon leader. If you go that route just about any fluoro will do.

 

:happy-111:

 

That's what I'm doing on all my spinning reel but with micro guide on baitcast rod I felt the knot would cause backlash. But I never tried it.

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First and foremost, welcome to Bass Resource. :)

 

I would first definitely use some type of line conditioner on the line before spooling up as it will definitely help you with the overrun issue. The second possibility is the power you're using to throw the bait. What type of bait are you throwing and what does it weigh?  The reviews that I've read on this reel indicate that people are able to cast long distances so perhaps the spool spins a lot faster than others to get the extra distance. As such, you may have to thumb the spool a little bit to to ensure that it doesn't spin so fast as to result in a backlash.

Final suggestion would be to change your line. Seaguar is my go to, and I'd use AbrazX around cover and InvizX around light cover or open water.

 

Cheers!

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Use a short leader that you can cast with outside the guides, 10" or so.

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I still think that an entire spool of fluoro should work. I'll try to remove 1/4 of line from it and try again.

 

I've never used line conditioner before. The line is already spooled so I guess it's not worth it to use conditioner.

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13 minutes ago, Alex Lynch said:

I still think that an entire spool of fluoro should work. I'll try to remove 1/4 of line from it and try again.

 

I've never used line conditioner before. The line is already spooled so I guess it's not worth it to use conditioner.

KVD line conditioner, although not magic certainly, does really seems to help both tame the beast that is line memory a bit as well as just improving the overall casting experience.

Now if that's not a solid endorsement, I don't know what is . . . .

And you can definitely add it ANY time - simply spray it right on the spooled line - let it soak in a minute (or over night if you have that kind of time) and you're good.

Finally, as mentioned above, try reducing your spool contents down to like 3/4's of a spool.  Just until this problem is resolved.  You'll be glad you did.

Oh, and Welcome to Bass Resource.

:smiley:

A-Jay

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i throw t rigs with a 3/16 bullet with a revo sx spooled with 12 lb sunline super fluorocarbon on a 7' mh rod. you must get the tension knob setting right rather than expecting the brake to control your over run issues. also use line conditioner and keep your reel clean and lubed, that means periodic spool removal to do so. it isnt complicated. good luck.

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13 minutes ago, Alex Lynch said:

I've never used line conditioner before. The line is already spooled so I guess it's not worth it to use conditioner.

 

I was about to respond with the same answer as @A-Jay, glad I received the notification of his post! lol

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I like Trilene 100% a lot and don't have any issues.  Honestly, the best thing to do is just keep practicing.  Taking off some line should help.  Line conditioner might help a little but here's only so much you can do.  In the end, a well trained thumb is the by far the best way to tame fluorocarbon.

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You need to use a line conditioner with FC main line because it doesn't absorb water, it sheds it during the cast and creates loose line. I would put FC line on a rod/reel you know works good with mono. I use and recommend TangleFree line conditioner because you add it as needed during the outing. KVD must be added to coat the line several hours before you use the reel.

Berkley FC is larger diameter line then both Seaguar and Sunline; Trilene 12# 100% is .013D = Seaguar or Sunline 16# FC, the larger  the diameter the more memory any line will have.

Tom

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Triline 100% fluoro is the only fluoro I use anymore and like Rich, I haven't had any issues with it either. I would suggest checking your spool tension. If it's not set correctly, it doesn't matter how you adjust your brakes, they can only do so much. If you want to run the spool tension extra loose, you're going to have to learn to use your thumb, it's as simple as that. 

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What are you using the rod for?  I've had a lot of luck switching from fluoro to P-Line CX.  It's such a softer line and it casts like a million bucks.

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Try Trilene 100% or Seaguar Invizx. Both of these have served me well and they are not stiff. I have backlash problems with my Revo as well so it barely leaves the house. I have come to the conclusion that myself and Revos are just not a match made in heaven. I will give braid a try and if that doesn't work I will be retiring it.

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You just need to practice more.  Trilene 100% is a quality line and 12lb is not going to be terribly thick so it's a good line to start on.  

 

3 hours ago, Alex Lynch said:

I never has any problem with braid and mono so I am assuming I am using it correctly.

Mono and braid handle much better than flourocarbon, so they can mask a lot of little casting errors and/or deficiencies...It's not a knock on your skills, it just is what it is.  If all you've ever used is mono or braid, you need to take a little time and re-teach yourself how to cast.  If you're not hard-headed about it, it can probably be done in one sitting assuming you already a capable caster.  Start with short pitches, move up to medium easy casts, and keep going - Soon you'll be flinging it around just like you always were with mono/braid.  

 

People are quick to recommend $40+ spools of line and sprays...While I'm sure they help, it's not necessary if you put a little bit of time in to learn how to cast flouro.   

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I have never used fluro as a mainline, but an overspooled reel certainly is not going to help matters, so I would suggest taking the extra line off.

 

Also this is just preference but I definitely prefer a sidearm cast with a bait caster, this way I don't even have to feather the line and can throw it out there, feather as the lure nearly hits the water and then stop when it does. If I backlash this way then something is majorly wrong with the reel or the line because I setup the reel for minimum tension on the tension knob, and the brake around halfway. For overhand casting, I will set both more aggressively and feather the line the entire cast.

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21 minutes ago, LxVE Bassin said:

Try Trilene 100% or Seaguar Invizx. Both of these have served me well and they are not stiff. I have backlash problems with my Revo as well so it barely leaves the house. I have come to the conclusion that myself and Revos are just not a match made in heaven. I will give braid a try and if that doesn't work I will be retiring it.

I have 3 Revo SX with braid and mono and it works flawlessly. Just having problems with the Fluoro/RevoPremier

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On 6/12/2017 at 11:04 AM, roadwarrior said:

Could be that the line is just too stiff. Tatsu is my line of choice, but for a lower pricing point I 

would recommend Seaguar AbrazX #12.  Another option that a lot of guys are using is braid

with a fluorocarbon leader. If you go that route just about any fluoro will do.

 

:happy-111:

 

This is the method I went with.  After using braid all last year I decided to switch things up and try flouro.  I got all the backlashes you speak of.  After a couple outing and spending more time pulling out birds nests, I went home and cut that crap off my reel.  I was using cheap flouro, maybe thats the issue, it was Stren 17lb I believe.  Put 20 or 30# braid back on and tied on a flouro leader and haven't looked back.  I have yet to come across a situation that I wished I had flouro spooled instead of braid.  I've read other posts mentioning no stretch in braid which  I may want for certain lures.  Sure... so I lighten the drag.  I'll also say that the flouro I used, would retain its spooled up shape and sit in the water in spirals.  Not something I ever noticed when I had Trilene Flouro on my spinning reel.  I'd be open to trying it again, I just dont see a need when I use a leader. 

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Easy fix.  Take it off and put on mono.  You can fool around with all the expensive and favorite lines of others, but to take the short route to good casting, go mono.  Life's too short to try to make FC work.  Mono is so easy.

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On 6/12/2017 at 1:38 PM, LxVE Bassin said:

 I have come to the conclusion that myself and Revos are just not a match made in heaven.

 

I can take that off your hands :D

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It's not the Revo, it's the line.

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3 hours ago, MickD said:

It's not the Revo, it's the line.

 

 

It's not the line, it's the user B)

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9 hours ago, Team9nine said:

 

 

It's not the line, it's the user B)

My point is that the line is an important and highly variable component in the baitcasting experience.  And FC is, in my opinion, too much trouble, too expensive, too fragile, without commensurate advantages over mono.  I know there are many who can  handle it.  I can handle it under certain circumstances, but for reliably good casting, trouble-free fishing, it's not my cup of tea.  And others who are struggling to use it successfully would be better served by simply going mono.  I know this opinion is not universally accepted, but I think  going mono is good advice for many fishermen.

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