I’m having some issues with copolymer breaking.  Using it as a leader to braid on spinning setups.  
 

I tried 10lb Izorline Platinum and it was breaking randomly.  So I bought some 8lb P-line CXX.  It’s supposedly better with abrasion from what I read.  

After a few hours of fishing a drop shot, I hooked some grass and broke off.  I chalked it up to shells and the hard bottom I was fishing. Today I tried again in my pond and broke off 3 more times.  No cover in the pond either so I know it’s not from abrasion.  Once with with a palomar knot and the other two with uni knots.  

I won’t say it’s not me and how I’m tying my knots, but I’ve not had an issue with mono.  I cinch my knots slowly and wet the line. Anyone have any suggestions? 

Go to Yo-Zuri Hybrid....most copolymer lines are just nylon monofilament with a coating of fluorocarbon on top...Yo-Zuri actually blends filaments of fluorocarbon in a matrix of monofilament.

Yo- Zuri hybrid is not a copolymer line it’s a co-extruded line meaning a copolymer line within fC jacket outer co extrusion, result is a larger diameter line.

I personally select mono, copolymer and FC line by its diameter in lieu of pound test.

The Palomar knot is strong tied correctly like most knots. What kills a Palomar knot is twisting the loop when putting the lure or hook through. The twist  created the line to cross over on top of its self and cuts the line when tightening the knot. Easy mistake to make.

Tom

"Better abrasion" usually means less tolerance to knot damage, the harder material is notch-sensitive.  

Leader material packaged in leader spools usually has better q/c than bulk filler spool packaging - closer control on formulation and diameter, changes in formulation to make it less notch-sensitive.  

 

It’s breaking at the knot every single time? 

 

Take a look at the Kastking Tripolymer Line 

TriPolymer Advanced monofilament utilizes a proprietary triple cross head extrusion process to incorporate Nylon 6, Nylon 6,6, and Nylon 12 into one advanced monofilament. 

try switching to Sufix Siege and never look back. 

I fish a drop shot in similar conditions and prefer 12lb Sunline FC leader. I was trying other lines and lower lb test and having similar issues. After switching to this stuff that stopped happening. I do think you tend to get what you pay for when it comes to this stuff to some extent. In this case one thing you will notice is even though that CXX is rated 8lb the 12lb FC leader is actually a bit smaller in diameter (.012" vs. .0112"). Realize it's not nearly as cheap but I've also found it lasts a lot longer for me and between that and not worrying about break offs it's been enough for me to stick with it for that type of a setup.

On a side note I kept the copoly and still use it (10-12lb CXX or Yo-Zuri specifically) but I only use that as a leader with 30lb braid when I'm throwing a spook or a sammy.

Try either hard mono leader material, usually used for salt fly leaders, or FC fly tippet leader material.  I  never use "line" for leaders.  I use leader material.  There is an advantage to having stiffness in the leader while it's a disadvantage to have it in a line.  So lines are generally softer.  

4 hours ago, 10,000 lakes Bassin said:

It’s breaking at the knot every single time? 

In the pond it did.  At the lake drop shotting, it broke above the hook.  I think it had a slight nick in the line.  The CXX didn’t seem to take abrasion well at all compared to the Trilene Big Game I had been using 

1 hour ago, Brian11719 said:

I fish a drop shot in similar conditions and prefer 12lb Sunline FC leader. I was trying other lines and lower lb test and having similar issues. After switching to this stuff that stopped happening. I do think you tend to get what you pay for when it comes to this stuff to some extent. In this case one thing you will notice is even though that CXX is rated 8lb the 12lb FC leader is actually a bit smaller in diameter (.012" vs. .0112"). Realize it's not nearly as cheap but I've also found it lasts a lot longer for me and between that and not worrying about break offs it's been enough for me to stick with it for that type of a setup.

On a side note I kept the copoly and still use it (10-12lb CXX or Yo-Zuri specifically) but I only use that as a leader with 30lb braid when I'm throwing a spook or a sammy.

I’ll look at the FC again.  Seems like I read lots of issues with quality control in the last year or so.  I’m also looking for something universal in use for when I’m not using a drop shot like with my Texas rigs or weightless fluke/senkos.

As far as the CXX goes, take the spool of it, throw it into the nearest portable toilet, close the door and light it on fire before it can hurt anyone else.
 

Sorry…..don’t have the highest opinion of that stuff. 
 

Getting back to the subject, it may be worth it to try a spool of good 12lb FC leader (Sunline or Seaguar). I dropshot regularly in some really nasty rock and brush, and upgrade from 8 to 12 FC for the worst conditions. It sounds to me that there’s something under you weakening the line that you’re not seeing, especially if you’re getting midline breakage. A harder 100% fluoro will withstand abrasion and random cuts better than a copolymer or mono. 

8 hours ago, ElGuapo928 said:

As far as the CXX goes, take the spool of it, throw it into the nearest portable toilet, close the door and light it on fire before it can hurt anyone else.
 

Sorry…..don’t have the highest opinion of that stuff. 
 

Getting back to the subject, it may be worth it to try a spool of good 12lb FC leader (Sunline or Seaguar). I dropshot regularly in some really nasty rock and brush, and upgrade from 8 to 12 FC for the worst conditions. It sounds to me that there’s something under you weakening the line that you’re not seeing, especially if you’re getting midline breakage. A harder 100% fluoro will withstand abrasion and random cuts better than a copolymer or mono. 

I believe it about the CXX.  I got it from Walmart so I just took it back lol.  There’s nothing in the pond to abrade the line.  It’s just a muck bottom.  The Izorline was similar but much worse than the CXX.  I’m trying one last line before going back to mono or trying fluoro.  I just bought some Maxima Ultragreen so I’ll test that and see. 

2 hours ago, Checkerfred said:

 It’s just a muck bottom. 

I don't see where abrasion should be a problem.  However, you did mention shells and a hard bottom in your first post.  Which is it?  I don't understand why Izorline Platinum is giving you such a problem.  It's known for its abrasion resistance.

 

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6 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

I don't see where abrasion should be a problem.  However, you did mention shells and a hard bottom in your first post.  Which is it?  I don't understand why Izorline Platinum is giving you such a problem.  It's known for its abrasion resistance.

 

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I agree. I switched to Izorline for all my monofilament a long time ago and have never had breakage that wasn’t strictly my own fault.

13 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

I don't see where abrasion should be a problem.  However, you did mention shells and a hard bottom in your first post.  Which is it?  I don't understand why Izorline Platinum is giving you such a problem.  It's known for its abrasion resistance.

 

Read posts by BobP, Redsyn and flippin and pitchin.

EDIT.  Also check out the reviews on Tacklewarehouse.

Not sure what’s hard to understand on this.  I fished the CXX on day one a hard/shell bottom and had issues.  Lots of nicks in the line that I think caused it to break in only a short time of drop shotting where the line isn’t laying on the bottom.  It broke above the hook too. Then I tested it in my pond with a muck bottom and had multiple break offs.  Two different days, two different places.
 

 As for Izorline, again not sure what’s hard to understand here.  I said I had random breakages.  Meaning not on the knots, just “randomly” on the line.  It did this at home just pulling the line to cinch knots down.  I never got a chance to test its abrasion resistance and the only reason I mentioned abrasion is because from what I’ve read, the CXX is a stiffer line and more abrasion resistant, but that’s not what I experienced.  Either way, abrasion shouldn’t be a problem drop shotting on a hard bottom but yet I still had breakages.  
 

The tackle warehouse reviews are irrelevant.  Maybe I got a bad spool of Izorline, but it doesn’t take reviews to tell me that random breakages in line, from simply cinching a knot, is going to make for a bad day fishing. I don’t want to be second guessing if the line is going to randomly break on me.
 

I also said initially that maybe it’s me but I’ve never had a problem with mono in the many years I’ve been fishing.  I wet my line before cinching and I make sure to do it slowly to prevent burn.  Maybe I’m missing something though 

7 hours ago, ElGuapo928 said:

I agree. I switched to Izorline for all my monofilament a long time ago and have never had breakage that wasn’t strictly my own fault.

Maybe I got a bad spool, idk, but the spool I had was terrible.  It broke randomly just pulling the line to cinch knots down.  10lb test.  

It’s entirely possible to get a bad spool, so I’m not really questioning that part of it. But bad spools across 2 radically different manufacturers back to back is pretty remote odds. 
 

If it’s breaking while cinching knots, it sounds like a friction burn. Perhaps you aren’t wetting the knot enough, or putting a couple too many wraps in the knot? 

It’s not the line! 
You may have a cracked guide. Check with cotton Q-tip.

Your lures treble hooks may be nicking the line when stored on the rod.

Tom

I would check what WRB references above. It’s also possible that both those spools sat at Walmart for a long time.

Well friend I have no idea what to tell you.  I fished 4# XL for years and never broke the line tying a knot.  Never had miscellaneous line breakage.  No shells on the bottom.  Fished live bait off the bottom and Roostertails and BeetleSpins a lot.  I did add a 10# leader on the 9' (spinning) rod to avoid snapping off lures on the cast.

2 hours ago, ElGuapo928 said:

It’s entirely possible to get a bad spool, so I’m not really questioning that part of it. But bad spools across 2 radically different manufacturers back to back is pretty remote odds. 
 

If it’s breaking while cinching knots, it sounds like a friction burn. Perhaps you aren’t wetting the knot enough, or putting a couple too many wraps in the knot? 

I tried different knots…uni and palomar.  The Izorline was breaking in the line way up from the knot randomly.  CXX broke once in the line and the others at the knots.  I’m not saying they’re both bad spools.  I’ve talked to a local guide that says he’s had the same issues with both brands too. So idk.  Again I never had this issues with mono 

1 hour ago, WRB-2.0 said:

It’s not the line! 
You may have a cracked guide. Check with cotton Q-tip.

Your lures treble hooks may be nicking the line when stored on the rod.

Tom

Well it’s definitely not the guides.  I take care of my gear for one, then two, this happened on 3 different brand new rods.  

37 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

Well friend I have no idea what to tell you.  I fished 4# XL for years and never broke the line tying a knot.  Never had miscellaneous line breakage.  No shells on the bottom.  Fished live bait off the bottom and Roostertails and BeetleSpins a lot.  I did add a 10# leader on the 9' (spinning) rod to avoid snapping off lures on the cast.

Yeah I’ve fished Berkley Trilene Big Game for years now on the same spool.  No issues.  Also have a 25 year old spool of Stren that’s always been stored inside.  No issues with that.  Seems like if I couldn’t/didn’t know how to tie a knot, I’d have issues in the past as well.  

8 minutes ago, Checkerfred said:

I tried different knots…uni and palomar.  The Izorline was breaking in the line way up from the knot randomly.  CXX broke once in the line and the others at the knots.  I’m not saying they’re both bad spools.  I’ve talked to a local guide that says he’s had the same issues with both brands too. So idk.  Again I never had this issues with mono 

Well it’s definitely not the guides.  I take care of my gear for one, then two, this happened on 3 different brand new rods.  

Yeah I’ve fished Berkley Trilene Big Game for years now on the same spool.  No issues.  Also have a 25 year old spool of Stren that’s always been stored inside.  No issues with that.  Seems like if I couldn’t/didn’t know how to tie a knot, I’d have issues in the past as well.  

I seriously doubt it is a fault of yours.

What I do to test mono line is wrap few winds around each hand about a foot apart then pull the hands apart. If the breaks easy it’s trash. If the line doesn’t break easily then try snapping the hands apart to test impact strength. 12 lb test line takes 12 lbs force to break, more pressure then you think!
Tom

4 minutes ago, WRB-2.0 said:

What I do to test mono line is wrap few winds around each hand about a foot apart then pull the hands apart. If the breaks easy it’s trash. If the line doesn’t break easily then try snapping the hands apart to test impact strength. 12 lb test line takes 12 lbs force to break, more pressure then you think!
Tom

I did that with the 25 year old Stren except I wrapped it around two wooden dowels.  Surprisingly it’s still good 

34 minutes ago, Checkerfred said:

I tried different knots…uni and palomar.  The Izorline was breaking in the line way up from the knot randomly.  CXX broke once in the line and the others at the knots.  I’m not saying they’re both bad spools.  I’ve talked to a local guide that says he’s had the same issues with both brands too. So idk.  Again I never had this issues with mono 

Well it’s definitely not the guides.  I take care of my gear for one, then two, this happened on 3 different brand new rods.  

Yeah I’ve fished Berkley Trilene Big Game for years now on the same spool.  No issues.  Also have a 25 year old spool of Stren that’s always been stored inside.  No issues with that.  Seems like if I couldn’t/didn’t know how to tie a knot, I’d have issues in the past as well.  

There are too many quality lines available to give so much attention to those giving you problems.  Trash ‘em, buy a popular, proven brand, and go fishing.

2 hours ago, OldManLure said:

There are too many quality lines available to give so much attention to those giving you problems.  Trash ‘em, buy a popular, proven brand, and go fishing.

Can you recommend some good ones?  I’ve got some maxima ultragreen coming