Owner vs Gamakatsu

[burleytog]

I had a friend recommend Owner hooks a couple of weeks ago, so I picked up some 3/0 and 4/0 the other day.

Haven't had a chance to fish them yet, but man these things are sharp right out of the package.  I thought Gamakatsu were sharp, but these Owners blow them out of the water.

Having a serious hook dilemma... :-/

[Siebert Outdoors]

hands down owner is a better hook.  Not saying gamakatsu isnt good because they are but in premium hooks imo owner are one of the best.

[Raul]

Regular or cutting edge ? cutting edge slice through the bone like if it was hot knofe on butter.

[KU_Bassmaster.]

I like and use them both

[roadwarrior]

I'm going to give them a try, but I don't see how they could be "better" than Gammies or X-Points. I am also VERY impressed with the VMC treble hooks.

[senile1]

Most of the hooks I own are Gamakatsu, Mustad, and Daiichi.  You get used to something that works and sometimes you just don't think to try something else.  I know from everyone's reports that Owner hooks are great.  I didn't know they were that much sharper that Gamakatsu.  I guess I'll be trying some then.  

[Syfer420]

Ive been having a problem with hooks dulling after 2-3 fish cought on the hook. So i went to wally world and looked for the sharpest hooks they have and saw the gamakatsu and than the owners cutting edge, and the cutting edge just looked way sharper. I ended up with the owners and havent lost a fish on them yet as long as a get a decent hookset the bass can jump, run , or tug as hard as possible. Im stuck on owners even at 4- 5 dollars a pack

[JigNBig]

i like 5/0 cuttung edge for horney toads

[Deuceu72]

I think both are good and both are very sharp...........but the owners are a little thicker and heavier than a Gammy.......I will use both depending on the fall rate that I want...........I will usually grab the Owner 1st....... ;D

[Bassassasin12]

ahh i like them both but tend to lean more to the gammie side. Owners are like 1 dollar more expensive and I'm not sure how much better they are. They are defenitly thicker though.

[KU_Bassmaster.]

I think both are good and both are very sharp...........but the owners are a little thicker and heavier than a Gammy.......I will use both depending on the fall rate that I want...........I will usually grab the Owner 1st....... ;D

That's kind of my thinking.  If I am fishing deeper water I tend to opt for Gammies.  I belive the slightly lighter wire is easier to drive home.  Shallower water ...... Owners

[WhiteMike1018]

Gammy > Owner

[Guest whittler]

Owners for me, at least for plastics. I have rolled the points on far to many Gammies after just a couple fish to continue using them. For trebles,  VMC, Gammies or Owners are all good.

[Guest avid]

I think both are good and both are very sharp...........but the owners are a little thicker and heavier than a Gammy.......I will use both depending on the fall rate that I want...........I will usually grab the Owner 1st....... ;D

I use owner hooks practically exclusively.

But I think all the "name" brand hooks are pretty good.  The daichi, EC lazer sharp, and mustads are very good hooks.  they come out of the box sharp enough, but will loose their edge faster.

Still in all that owner cutting point is a penetratin' fool.

[Raul]

Exactly Avid.

Here 's a little explanation on how the shape of the point can make a world of difference: in my daily practice I use sutures, sutures that come with needle, needles are different depending upon what you are going to stictch, we have needles for everything BUT skin and needles for skin. What 's the difference, well, skin is anything but soft so the shape of the point is different.

Needles for everything have a CONICAL POINT, while needles for skin have CUTTING EDGE POINT, what 's the difference ? try to drive a conical point needle through skin and it will penetrate if you use a lot of muscle, do the same with a cutting edge point needle and it 's a piece of cake, you don 't need to apply a lot of muscle to make the needle go through the skin, why ? because while a conical point has to separate the tissue the cutting edge point SLICES through it.

Needles and hooks have the exact same application, to penetrate tissue, which one you think does a better job after the explanation, conical or cutting edge ? Gammys are conical head hooks, owners Cutting edge are cutting edge hooks.

So don 't let your supposedly brand loyalty cloud your vision, in the pure aspect of function Gammys are sharp I 'm not denying it but Owner 's cutting edge hooks have superior hook penetration than Gammys hands down. And not only that, they cut through the toughest baits effortlessly.

[burleytog]

Cutting Edge.

There seems to be a lot more metal there than there is on a Gamakatsu.

[llPa1nll]

Gammy > Owner

Simple, well put, and totally agree...

[RiskKid.]

Raul.....thanks for that explanation. It makes very good sense especially as explained from the standpoint of your professional experience. I for one had no idea there were different types of points....pretty interesting stuff.

Now I have one complaint....why do you keep giving that monkey my address...he's knocking on my door again  ;D ;D ;D

[fourbizz]

With all the myriad hooks I use, Owner gets the nod in all but a select couple of instances.

Owner> gammy

[Fish Man]

cough cough EAGLE CLAWS cough....hehehe   i think u should go to them over the rest

[FishTank]

I like both as well but I tend to use Gamakatsu hooks more than I do the Owner.  I just tend to have more luck with the Gamakatsu EWG hooks.

[roadwarrior]

Exactly Avid.

Here 's a little explanation on how the shape of the point can make a world of difference: in my daily practice I use sutures, sutures that come with needle, needles are different depending upon what you are going to stictch, we have needles for everything BUT skin and needles for skin. What 's the difference, well, skin is anything but soft so the shape of the point is different.

Needles for everything have a CONICAL POINT, while needles for skin have CUTTING EDGE POINT, what 's the difference ? try to drive a conical point needle through skin and it will penetrate if you use a lot of muscle, do the same with a cutting edge point needle and it 's a piece of cake, you don 't need to apply a lot of muscle to make the needle go through the skin, why ? because while a conical point has to separate the tissue the cutting edge point SLICES through it.

Needles and hooks have the exact same application, to penetrate tissue, which one you think does a better job after the explanation, conical or cutting edge ? Gammys are conical head hooks, owners Cutting edge are cutting edge hooks.

So don 't let your supposedly brand loyalty cloud your vision, in the pure aspect of function Gammys are sharp I 'm not denying it but Owner 's cutting edge hooks have superior hook penetration than Gammys hands down. And not only that, they cut through the toughest baits effortlessly.

Is there a doctor in the house?

Thank you Raul.

[sal669]

Excellent job, Raul !

I went through a couple brands and ended up using Gammys. I think they have the best compromise between wire gage(thickness), out of package sharpness and durability.

Yes there are sharper hooks but the wire is to thick or, they dull to fast, or break easily(to much tempering) or a combination of the above.

Think of it this way: a strait blade razor is for shaving, a cleaver is for chopping up a deer. It would be a pain to try an shave with the cleaver or chop up a deer with a strait razor. But there are hunting knives that could do both reasonably well. Gammakatsu is the hunting knive in my book.

Just my $0.02

[Guest avid]

Exactly Avid.

Here 's a little explanation on how the shape of the point can make a world of difference: in my daily practice I use sutures, sutures that come with needle, needles are different depending upon what you are going to stictch, we have needles for everything BUT skin and needles for skin. What 's the difference, well, skin is anything but soft so the shape of the point is different.

Needles for everything have a CONICAL POINT, while needles for skin have CUTTING EDGE POINT, what 's the difference ? try to drive a conical point needle through skin and it will penetrate if you use a lot of muscle, do the same with a cutting edge point needle and it 's a piece of cake, you don 't need to apply a lot of muscle to make the needle go through the skin, why ? because while a conical point has to separate the tissue the cutting edge point SLICES through it.

Needles and hooks have the exact same application, to penetrate tissue, which one you think does a better job after the explanation, conical or cutting edge ? Gammys are conical head hooks, owners Cutting edge are cutting edge hooks.

So don 't let your supposedly brand loyalty cloud your vision, in the pure aspect of function Gammys are sharp I 'm not denying it but Owner 's cutting edge hooks have superior hook penetration than Gammys hands down. And not only that, they cut through the toughest baits effortlessly.

Excellent treatise Doctor  

[Siebert Outdoors]

I totally agree with Raul.  Great explenation.  Throw x point into the mix they penetrate better then owner.  The only problem is they dont make as many styles.