I've been fighting line twist for the past 2 seasons to no avail. I'm using a 3000 spinner with 10# 832 with a 20-30 foot 10# mono leader. I can clearly see that the braid is getting twisted but the braid tolerates it really well. The mono on the other hand isn't so forgiving. After 4 or 5 hours of constant casting, if any tension is released on the mono it will twist up on itself really badly. I use a KastKing Kalibrate to spool my line according to the directions. Every trip out I replace the mono leader and use an FG knot for the connection to braid. The line roller spins freely and I never try to reel when a fish is taking drag. If it matters, I primarily fish jerkbaits and sometimes crank baits. I always close the bail manually.

Any ideas as to what's causing the twist?

I am willing to bet that the problem is whatever bait or presentation is tied to the end of that mono.

It's spinning.

It's either spinning on the retrieve, or it's spinning on the fall. As in the case of a drop shot. But whatever it is, it's spinning and that can be what is causing the line twist. Another cause can be if you are reeling against your drag while fighting fish. If the reel handle is turning and you're not gaining line the line twist can be epic. Especially after 5 hours.

Solution 1. Rig all baits straight so they don't spin at all. If re-rigging doesn't stop the spinning, change baits. Solution 2. Stop reeling against the drag. Fight the fish with the rod, pick up the slack gained with the feel. No more twists.

Good luck.

A-Jay

28 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

I am willing to bet that the problem is whatever bait or presentation is tied to the end of that mono.

It's spinning.

It's either spinning on the retrieve, or it's spinning on the fall. As in the case of a drop shot. But whatever it is, it's spinning and that can be what is causing the line twist. Another cause can be if you are reeling against your drag while fighting fish. If the reel handle is turning and you're not gaining line the line twist can be epic. Especially after 5 hours.

Solution 1. Rig all baits straight so they don't spin at all. If re-rigging doesn't stop the spinning, change baits. Solution 2. Stop reeling against the drag. Fight the fish with the rod, pick up the slack gained with the feel. No more twists.

Good luck.

A-Jay

I think you're onto something. My line twist issue seems to correlate with the time I began using jerkbaits almost exclusively. It could very well be that the lures are spinning in the cast. I have a carryover habit from my surf fishing days to launch my lures into the next area code. That could compound the airborne spinning of the lures if that is indeed the root cause. As stated, I never reel against the drag.

Micro swivel.

Replace your spinning gear with baitcasters made for casting light lures, and forget line twisting and wind knots. Did it over a decade ago, and forgot what's even line twisting😊

2 hours ago, Crow Horse said:

I think you're onto something. My line twist issue seems to correlate with the time I began using jerkbaits almost exclusively. It could very well be that the lures are spinning in the cast. I have a carryover habit from my surf fishing days to launch my lures into the next area code. That could compound the airborne spinning of the lures if that is indeed the root cause. As stated, I never reel against the drag.

I have been throwing jerkbaits on spinning gear since Bozo was pooping out clown school food. Never dealth with the kind of line twist you are describing. Check the roller guide on your bail for proper operation. Meaning, is it spinning as designed all the time.

A-Jay

4 hours ago, WetBlanket said:

Replace your spinning gear with baitcasters made for casting light lures, and forget line twisting and wind knots. Did it over a decade ago, and forgot what's even line twisting😊

Baitcast does not equate to no line twist. I spent one day casting a 3/4 oz. spoon (catching flounder) with 40# braid on an STXL. Tied direct. Line twist was so bad at the end of the day that I had to replace the braid.

2 hours ago, A-Jay said:

I have been throwing jerkbaits on spinning gear since Bozo was pooping out clown school food. Never dealth with the kind of line twist you are describing. Check the roller guide on your bail for proper operation. Meaning, is it spinning as designed all the time.

A-Jay

I did check the line roller. It's tough to see if it's really turning so I marked it with a sharpie and it's turning unfettered.

If your lure is helicoptering during the cast, that can give you some pretty serious line twist. I try very hard not to have my lure helicopter. If it does though and I start getting a little twist, what I will do is, I’ll counteract that twist but spinning the lure the other direction. So with about 5 or 6 feet of line out, I’ll see which direction the lure is spinning and I’ll spin it the other way until the line starts kinking up. Then I real up and cast.

1 hour ago, new2BC4bass said:

Baitcast does not equate to no line twist. I spent one day casting a 3/4 oz. spoon (catching flounder) with 40# braid on an STXL. Tied direct. Line twist was so bad at the end of the day that I had to replace the braid.

Well of course. If you use a spool, or a spinner, you will get some twisting. That's done with the lure, not the reel. Simply use a ball bearing, and you won't get any twisting while using a spoon.

Here's what I've done so far. I'll be on the water tomorrow and I'll see if there's any improvement. At face value everything seems to be in order I'm grasping at straws. I replaced the rod with the same model (never been used). I had replaced the tip top on the rod I was using several years ago with a tip top that had a ring significantly smaller than the original. It was the only one I could find to fit the blank. Admittedly, this is a long shot and I'll carefully inspect the the tip top and post photos if possible. The line roller functions properly and I've tied on a new 20-30' mono leader.

I can't rule out the possibility that this might be user issue (casting technique) and not a hardware problem. I'm not dismissing anything at this point.

11 minutes ago, Bazoo said:

If your lure is helicoptering during the cast, that can give you some pretty serious line twist. I try very hard not to have my lure helicopter. If it does though and I start getting a little twist, what I will do is, I’ll counteract that twist but spinning the lure the other direction. So with about 5 or 6 feet of line out, I’ll see which direction the lure is spinning and I’ll spin it the other way until the line starts kinking up. Then I real up and cast.

I keep coming back to this although I don't believe my lure is helicoptering but rather spinning on it's long axis (like a drill bit). When I lift the lure out of the water after a retrieve the lure will spin a great deal. I'll wait till it stops spinning and then make another cast.

You might try using something like a jig, something that’s not gonna spin in the air or in the water. That’ll tell you for 100% if it’s the lure spinning, or if it’s a line roller problem.

So couple things:

1. After spooling up, run the spooled line under warm water for and a minute or so.

2. Before you tie anything on, run out about 30 yards of line behind the boat. This'll get rid of any residual twist and let you start fresh.

3 hours ago, WetBlanket said:

Well of course. If you use a spool, or a spinner, you will get some twisting. That's done with the lure, not the reel. Simply use a ball bearing, and you won't get any twisting while using a spoon.

Hence why I received some today!

I was simply pointing out that using a baitcast reel didn't guarantee no line twist.

Spinning reels twist line. It’s just the way they work, peeling line off the reel when casting, the winding it back on. It’s not any different that dealing with an extension cord or a garden hose. Some line twist is just the way it is. Before replacing badly twisted line, when in the boat, motor slowly along and let out line with no lure attached. Let out more than a full cast length and troll that for a minute or two. Reel the line back in pinching it between your fingers and the line twist will be removed.

Every cast or two I hold my rod upright as high as it'll go, with the lure out of the water, and let the spinning settle down.

As has been stated, spinning reels twist line - not a lot you can do other than minimize it.

As a hopeless dropshotter, I’ve figured out that a 6 foot leader is ideal. If the leader is long enough to go on the spool, everything goes to hell in a hurry. When using mono, I like to hit it with KVD conditioner or Reelsnot, and this keeps it a little more manageable.

I’ve also found that I get quite a bit less twist with a roll cast or an underhand than I do overhand.

How did you put the line on to begin with? Did you simply "reel the line" with the spinning reel right off the spool? If that's how you put your line on, you put it on twisted.

Also, 10 pound braid is really thin. Far thinner than the 10 pound leader material you're using. I would increase the braid some to make it more in line with the diameter of the leader.

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If this is how you spooled the line on in the first place, then I would suggest going out to the lake, trailing it all out behind you (no lure) and paddle across the lake before reeling in. You might have something causing twist now, but I would suggest that the braid that’s on the spool is already twisted up.