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With all the talk about "Made In China" I thought it might be neat to look at some Chinese tackle companies. I found a few. Who knows what sort of quality they turn out. And who knows who's "favorite brand" they may produce ( :)).

http://www.cxzcl.com/

http://www.fishing-reel.com/index.asp

http://www.shinyico.com/product.htm

http://fishing.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008807480465/Homepage.htm

http://www.gawafishing.com/main.php

Somewhere in China, someone's bail on their Zungzang reel broke, and their buddy is telling them they shoulda bought a Weihai.  

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WHO CARES IT MATTERS ABOUT THE DEPENDABILITY OF THE BRAND The fact of the matter is many products are produced in China in order to save the manufacturer money and therefore make more money that is the whole reasoning behind companies opening factories in china. WHY IS IT SHIMANO'S LOWER END REELS ARE MADE IN MALAYSIA AND THEIR HIGHER END REELS ARE MADE IN JAPAN??? If their Malaysia factory made the quality of product EXPECTED with the Calais, Stella, Chronarch, Curado, Sustain, and Stradic why would these reels be made in Japan???????

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There's absolutely no reason why a Stella couldn't be built just as well in China vs in Japan.  It could.

This isn't rocket science.  It's an assembly line regardless of where it's made.  Provide quality parts, train the people to assemble it correctly and have thorough QC.  

Why Shimano continues the practice is beyond me.  They're system of values is much different than ours and they hold their workers in a higher regard than what a typical American company does.  

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No one is arguing that.   I was just curious what sort of tackle companies existed in China - that's all.  

Now, feast your eyes on these:

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well Penn is the same way the lower end reels have been moved to china ever since being bought out by Shakespeare but the International is still made in the US the reason reels are made in China is for one reason to cut cost.

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I have a feeling more would be built over there if the average consumer didn't have negative perceptions about just about anything built that says "Made in China".

There's a generation out there that doesn't realize that 30 - 50 years ago, if it said "Made in Japan", it was probably junk.

That perception and reality has changed a complete 180 degrees.

I imagine it would be difficult for a company like Penn, whose built a long standing reputation on reliable, well designed fishing reels to just shut down all their plants and move operations to China.  The negative perceptions of a reel that was once quality and now is being built in China could easily hurt the companies standing in the fishing industry whether or not the quality of said reels actually degraded or not due to country of origin.

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Well if the reels retained their quality then there would be no reason for a negative perception

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Quality control...that's all.

I shouldn't be that hard, but it is. Until this issue is resolved, imports from China and a number of other countries will alway be judged inferior...because they (generally) are. International companies must put "boots on the ground" until they can bring locals up to par. There is NO REASON this can't be done...TODAY!

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Well if the reels retained their quality then there would be no reason for a negative perception

The negative perception already exists.  

It's been reinforced lately with all the problems Mattel has had with their toys coming out of China and the media exposure that brought.

If I were to go out and pick up a new Penn Senator 13H, turn the reel over and see "made in China" on the bottom of the reel seat, the first thing I'm going to wonder is whether this reel would have the guts to pull a 40lb grouper out of his hole in 150ft of water like the old Penns used to do.  I'm not so sure I wouldn't put it down and move along to another reel that wasn't made in China.

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Well if the reels retained their quality then there would be no reason for a negative perception

I'm not sure which reels made in China don't retain their quality. The Daiwa Tierra or any number of other Daiwas? The Abu Garcia? Okumas? Pfluegers?

Most Shimanos are made in Malasyia, another country not historically known for quality. But somehow, they churn out good reels.

These companies get good quality products from these manufacturers in these countries because they expect it, and because they enforce quality control standards.

And being "made in Japan" is no longer a guarantee of quality. Here's an interesting old article about diminishing Japanese quality, and growing Asian quality that threatens to exceed it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/business/worldbusiness/21quality.html

The last thing I look at when I buy a rod or reel is where it's made. I look at a brand known for high quality who will hold its manufacturers to high standards wherever they are. I read reviews on the products to get an idea as to how it will perform. Then I buy. Where the product is made is incidental to these things.

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So whats the big difference in something made in China and something made in Japan? Please explain......I'd really like to know why the Japanese reels warrant so much attention.

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So whats the big difference in something made in China and something made in Japan? Please explain......I'd really like to know why the Japanese reels warrant so much attention.

Well for one thing Chinese cook their fish and japenese serve it raw

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So whats the big difference in something made in China and something made in Japan? Please explain......I'd really like to know why the Japanese reels warrant so much attention.

Fivebass, I think alot of it has to do with the amount of QC and work ethics the Japanese posess. Reels manufactured under close tolerances with attention paid to detail. The components used are carefully examined for defects before installing. I think it can be done in another country like China, and already is. I just think quality tends to suffer in some instances by trying to do it cheaper. Look at the Kistler Mg line. Good rod, well balanced, and priced right. Now, look at it closely. Guides glued on with excess epoxy, reel handles not fitting right for some reels. This kind of craftmanship would not be happening if that same rod was made here like the Helium LTA or LTX. By the way people, I reserve the right to bash Kistler Mg rods because I own three of them. LOL! :)

Muddy, you ain't right! ;D

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  I'm slowly replacing all my reels with Ardent   www.ardentreels.com products.  There made here in america and have a three year warranty.  Right now I have an Ardent xs1000 baitcaster which compares favorably to my Revo's. Over the course of the next year I'll replace all 10 revo's and 4600's with these reels.  

  And all Rods are All Star 's made in Houston.

  Gotta support the home folks whenever possible.

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I'm slowly replacing all my reels with Ardent www.ardentreels.com products. There made here in america and have a three year warranty. Right now I have an Ardent xs1000 baitcaster which compares favorably to my Revo's. Over the course of the next year I'll replace all 10 revo's and 4600's with these reels.

And all Rods are All Star 's made in Houston.

Gotta support the home folks whenever possible.

Hey  man id keep the 4600,s there may come a day when they are made in china

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Quality control...that's all.

Agreed!!

China products and I do not have a good track record.  I try to stay away from them.  I'm not going to get on the soap box and preach buy american because I really like alot of Japanesse products.  I look for quality and craftsmanship.

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Quality control...that's all.

Agreed!!

China products and I do not have a good track record. I try to stay away from them. I'm not going to get on the soap box and preach buy american because I really like alot of Japanesse products. I look for quality and craftsmanship.

Amagine if Germany was putting out reels with the same quailty as heckler and koch or walther  WOW

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So you're telling me that the JDM reels are of higher quality than the same reels made elsewhere? Does Shimano have 2 different sets of the same parts to build reels in two different countries? Is Japan the QC capitol of the world?

I can plainly see that the reels LOOK different but is the difference in quality and performance THAT BIG to warrant all the attention and demand?

There's no offense meant to anybody that owns the Japanese reels or rods, I'm just poking around for information and opinions.

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So you're telling me that the JDM reels are of higher quality than the same reels made elsewhere?

Not really, some reels have or had better characteristics than their domestic counterparts for almost the same price, like Scorpion 1000/1001 vs the old Curado 100B.

Does Shimano have 2 different sets of the same parts to build reels in two different countries?

I think they do

Is Japan the QC capitol of the world?

I have no idea what does QC means so I can 't anwer.

I can plainly see that the reels LOOK different but is the difference in quality and performance THAT BIG to warrant all the attention and demand?

Performance can be measured overall or by parts, lighter reel ? heck yes !, smoother ride? heck yes !, external brake adjustment ( like in the Scorpion and Scorpion Mg ) ? to some .... heck yes !, cold forged handle vs stamped metal handle ? heck yes !, further lightened spool ? heck yes !, models not available in the DM ? heck yes !

Many times the differences between a JDM and a DM are minor and purely cosmetic, other times the differences are noticeable.

Would I purchase a Scorpion Quickfire instead of a Castaic ? not really, the only difference between both reels is the color.

Would I purchase a Scorpion Mg over a Chronarch Mg ? well until recently Shimano didn 't have something comparable to the Scorpion Mg, reason why I purchased the Scorpion Mg long time before Shimano introduced the Chronarch Mg, now that both are here I see no reason why should I purchase a Scorpion Mg other than the price if I can find it cheaper than the Chronarch Mg ( like when Ginrin was giving them away for an absurd price ), the external brake adjustment ? well I can live without it, I very seldomly touch the brake settings.

Would I purchase a Scorpion 1000 over a Citica 100 DSV ? most probably I would get the Scorpion over the Citica 100 DSV.

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Thanks Raul, I see a little light now....not enough to make me buy a JDM reel but I understand things a little better.

Oh, and QC = Quality Control

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