LrgmouthShad

You never disappoint

You really care about casting accuracy don’t you?

Hey y’all, We done been talkin about the way bass fishing used to be. What about where bass fishing is going? What do you think bass fishing will look like in 2040 on some more popular lakes that see higher level tournaments? Obviously there will be next-level technology out to better envision what is underwater. How are bass going to react, if at all? Is it possible that they will be conditioned to avoid open water and seek out heavier cover? Do you think predictions like these are nonsense? How much has really changed in bass fishing over the past 20 years and is it going to carry forward or change in any way? I’m curious

Im just messin. It looks awesome dude!

I was really impressed by a trip to Fitz Tackle near Lake of the Ozarks. Aberdeen Bait and Tackle in NC is UNMATCHED. They rival TW for amount of my money spent.

I’ll go with this one caught on a smallish lake in NY springtime. @ol’crickety my name is Nate so you don’t have to call me Mr. Shad, lol

The longer this break from fishing extends, the more I realize that I fished in part to escape from some things, and not all of the things that I wanted to escape from are bad. anyone else know what I’m talking about?

That’s the video I was referencing. It is actually very interesting. I don’t know how much it matters, but it’s something I kinda want to try and play around with. There are videos of Booyah coverts running underwater, and I could see that in the video, the covert runs with a pretty decent upward angle, not flat at all. But they catch the heck outta fish so…

@Jigfishn10 Thank you! For now I’m going to say that drag from blades is indeed causing a lift effect on the SB and actually causes the spinnerbait to want to aim downwards, counteracting the head weight which causes the SB to want to tilt upwards. Wire length and angles magnify or diminish the effect. Skirt and trailer drag add to blade drag. Now I’m going to walk away from this topic for now and continue with my evening. Y’all still free to contribute though! Lol

I really wish I could be working out man. Still hurt. And thanks for that analogy! I am going crazy over this, lol. There’s so much going on.

@Jigfishn10 I think I’m wrong yet again ?. I don’t doubt that closer angle helps bait run better. I’m doubting that I understand the mechanics of it

Just kidding I actually think I was right. But for a much different reason than I thought and much different than my silly little experiment. It’s not “lift” that causes the spinnerbait to tilt. It’s the blade drag, because it’s at an angle with the wire. Too much drag tilts the entire spinnerbait upwards. And I think, as TB pointed out, even potentially while the spinnerbait is not rising. A greater wire angle increases the angle between drag and wire, further increasing the effect. Its not weight vs “lift”! It is weight versus drag! See above, I agree now

yup! I be thinking about that. But actually I think I was wrong about bending the wire down. I’m looking further into it.

Dang it! Now I think I’m wrong for some reasons. Still investigating…

I have learned a lot thus far! I think I also just figured something else out. If the blade arm is bent down towards the hook so that the blades run closer to the hook, I believe it helps the spinnerbait run more horizontal. I held the two blade on the wire with my hand, supporting the spinnerbait only with that one hand cupped underneath the blades so I could visualize the effect of blade lift. Now, I used two identical spinnerbaits. One with the wire bent closer to the hook, and the other with the wire bent more upwards. The one with the wire bent towards the hook laid flatter, actually pretty darn flat, and now that I think about it, unsurprisingly. To neglect the effect of my hand being influenced by the wire angler, I then pinched the loop and held only there and same effect. This is what you do when you can’t fish

Thanks. I dunno what set me off either, sorry. I think @Captain Phil’s choice spinnerbait, the Okochobee special has that bend. Trophy Bass Co’s Ozark Flash also has it. But anything can have it. I’m thinking that doing it to a SB that has a short distance from head to bend does not make sense. The “lever” is short enough that I don’t think manipulating it helps any and it probably would also start putting your blades too close to the hook.

I wanted so badly to make a joke but I just can’t do it. Please! I think some of your opinions would go against the grain here but for the sake of discussion I think your thoughts could really help here. EDIT: On the discussion of that wire bend, instinct is telling me that it might only benefit an SB if it has a longer wire length from head to bend

Sampos are equipped on mine. Only the best. I pay for spinnerbaits. I understand that there is a little debate going on about whether quality swivels are necessary on a SB. I am in the “quality matters” category. If that bend does that, then I did the same thing to mine. Take a look at my pic. That spinnerbait is not special, sorry. You can bend any spinnerbait; you can change anything on a spinnerbait. I could go on a rant but I won’t. Deep breaths, deep breaths Sincere thank you for sharing because I was just about to look into the issue of how the wire is bent affects a spinnerbait running.

So another factor too then must be the angle that the r-bend is bent at and the angle of the wire coming off of the head. So I wonder what my my little bend that I put on my mine - the one photo’d does to how my SB runs. Body is slightly more back and up. Hmmm. I gotta think about this. I think I’ll draw some force diagrams. Back to physics class

Disclaimer: these are beliefs Spinnerbaits run at a certain angle from horizontal. The bait itself. Not talking about rising/falling. I learned this from…. and I’m ashamed to say this… a Tactical Bassin video. There was some underwater footage. So I started to reason the different factors as to what would affect running angle and I came up with the ratio of the two wire lengths that you mentioned earlier and the ratio of blade size creating lift and drag versus the weight of the head trying to pull the spinnerbait down. By lift I mean the same thing you do. Larger blades causing a spinnerbait to rise more, but the drag is also pulling the angle of the spinnerbait upward I believe. If someone smarter than me would care to correct my assumptions, I will be overjoyed. And speed also factors into the equation. So that a heavy headed spinnerbait with small blades might be able to run close to horizontal… I think @Deleted account come on I need ya help here. And others!

I’ll get back to you. Busy for next hour or so

Where it is heavy enough to prevent bait from rolling but not so heavy that the bait will not run flat? I was talking with @Deleted account about this. Do you also like your spinnerbaits to run as flat as possible? Seems like if the goal is to make sure there is enough lift for the bait without rolling, then a bait that is more apt to run true is valuable because you can get away with more torque and speed without rolling? If get a few more people in here, I hope this thread to go crazy. I love talking SBs. Yes. Quick search says around 0.015 to 0.030 I notice that compared to a hildebrandt, the front of a Stanley is a bit thinner but the back of the blade is crazy thick.

That’s all very interesting, thanks. What do you think happens with a blade like the Stanley Wedge, with it being variable thickness?

The #6 Hildebrandt colorado is ridongculous. Maybe because it is super flat. Think some of the 3/4oz booyah coverts single colorado come with it. That’s when you really want a slow reel, lol.

Thank you! I am only trying to figure out why a thinner blade has a slower retrieve if it also has less thump. The rest makes sense to me. Is there another way you can explain it to my mind?