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Don’t want to make this a Chevy-Ford debate - rather focus on the individual technologies.  Which can cast a weightless lure like a Senko farthest, and with least backlash - the SV or DC systems?  Why?

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Saying "the sv system" isn't apples to apples. There's countless SV spools that all perform differently. Gonna have to be specific about which spool. 

 

Any baitcast reel can cast a senko (a 5in weighs almost 3/8oz) "into the next county" It's the Indian not the arrow. 

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2 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

Saying "the sv system" isn't apples to apples. There's countless SV spools that all perform differently. Gonna have to be specific about which spool. 

 

Any baitcast reel can cast a senko (a 5in weighs almost 3/8oz) "into the next county" It's the Indian not the arrow. 

I would be interested in comparing:

 

•Tatula SV TW vs. Curado 150 DC

•Steez SV TW vs. Metanium DC

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Never used the Curado DC but stock the Tatula SV TW isn't anything to write home about distance wise but it's about as use friendly as a reel gets. However, drop a pair of 20$ hedgehog ZR's in it and the reel really opens up. I've put it on a DX742C specifically for senkos because new bearings really opened the reel up. Can skip and cast as far as I want w/o any problems.  Only complaint is the spool is a little deeper than I want for 10# line but it now performs just really well. I'm not crazy about stock daiwa bearings to begin with. I've got a few SV TW's and A's /w the SV TW spools in all of them. Just an awesome spool. Especially /w a set of office ZPI's in the reel. 

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13 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

Never used the Curado DC but stock the Tatula SV TW isn't anything to write home about distance wise but it's about as use friendly as a reel gets. However, drop a pair of 20$ hedgehog ZR's in it and the reel really opens up. I've put it on a DX742C specifically for senkos because new bearings really opened the reel up. Can skip and cast as far as I want w/o any problems.  Only complaint is the spool is a little deeper than I want for 10# line but it now performs just really well. I'm not crazy about stock daiwa bearings to begin with. I've got a few SV TW's and A's /w the SV TW spools in all of them. Just an awesome spool. Especially /w a set of office ZPI's in the reel. 

I believe based on your previous recommendation to get more distance skipping weightless wacky worms, I have the 742c on order (been backordered since May!).

 

I have a couple Tatula SV TW’s and agree with you they are user-friendly but with weightless lures I don’t get enough distance.  With the 742c (instead of my 6’-10” standard rod) will I gain significant distance, or would a Zillion or Steez stretch it out that much further than the Tatula?  Or just add the Hedgehog bearings to the Tat?

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That 742c is an awesome rod. It would be cheaper to just throw in some ZR bearings in the Tatula SV and go from there but if that isn't a concern I would opt for the Steez just for the form factor of the reel. It's just so comfortable and smooth. The Zillion G1 spool is an awesome spool though. It's head and shoulders better than the Tatula but the performance is much closer between the Zillion G1 spool and the Steez G1 spool. Assuming you have your reels dialed in right and bearings aren't gummed, the 742 really launchs a weight trig senko. I've personally just had bad luck /w stock daiwa bearings but I swap them out anyway. 

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I would say that the Shimano DC reels look very interesting too ... but they have 4-5 brake settings and the one for “skipping” is cranked down the most.  Might help in

preventing lashes, but I wonder if it would limit distance... vs. Steez, Tat/Hedgehog..

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I have owned or still own a few Daiwas (Zillions and a Steez>both great reels) and fished, but not owned, a Calcutta DC.  The Calcutta DC would out cast the Zillion and Steez by quite a bit and it was almost impossible to backlash and would be great for skipping lures.

 

With all that said I can't speak for the new Curado DC or the Metanium DC.  Also, my favorite reel for skipping around docks is the Shimano Core.  I know it has been discontinued and is old but it still works the best for that technique.   

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I have SV TW's, a Zillion SV TW, and just got the Curado DC. Your topic is asking about skipping weightless lures, but your post is asking about distance casting for weightless senkos.

 

For skipping weightless lures, I'd say the SV has the edge when set up correctly. I find it almost impossible to backlash the SV TW on a weightless senko when skipping with a moderate tension and brakes in the middle. 

 

For distance, I'd go with the DC. The DC system's advantage is spool correction on a long cast where there's enough time to adjust the magnets while rotating. When I'm loose with the tension knob with the DC, I can see my overruns correct themselves on long full casts. 

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23 minutes ago, Junger said:

I have SV TW's, a Zillion SV TW, and just got the Curado DC. Your topic is asking about skipping weightless lures, but your post is asking about distance casting for weightless senkos.

 

For skipping weightless lures, I'd say the SV has the edge when set up correctly. I find it almost impossible to backlash the SV TW on a weightless senko when skipping with a moderate tension and brakes in the middle. 

 

For distance, I'd go with the DC. The DC system's advantage is spool correction on a long cast where there's enough time to adjust the magnets while rotating. When I'm loose with the tension knob with the DC, I can see my overruns correct themselves on long full casts. 

Thank you, I should have stated I’m most interested in which reel will get longer distance when skipping a weightless wacky worm...  assume both would do a reasonable job of preventing backlash when skipping as well..

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How light of a plastic are we talking here?  The DC reela don't do all that well with the lighter weight baits.  The spools are fairly heavy and need some rpm to brake.  I think a Curado DC would be great at skipping jigs and bigger senkos but I wouldn't want to skip a finesse worm on a 1/8 oz flick shake head.  That is where the SV spools shine. 

 

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I have a Zillion SV TW, it's a skipping machine but not the furthest casting reel I own at all. Long distance casting isn't something that's often an issue for me in bass fishing though. 

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4 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I have a Zillion SV TW, it's a skipping machine but not the furthest casting reel I own at all. Long distance casting isn't something that's often an issue for me in bass fishing though. 

Would you think a Steez SV TW would get the extra difference over the Zillion?  Or would upgrading the bearings on a Tatula like iabass8 suggested do just as well/better? 

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Just now, FryDog62 said:

Would you think a Steez SV TW would get the extra difference over the Zillion?  Or would upgrading the bearings on a Tatula like iabass8 suggested do just as well/better? 

I don't honestly have enough experience with Daiwa to comment on what difference either would make. I've never fished a Steez and haven't upgraded the bearings in mine to know if it would make a difference. FWIW, my Zillion cast further than I can effectively set the hook with a 3/8oz jig (the same approximate weight as a weightless senko), so I'm not by any means saying it's a slouch in the casting department, just not my furthest casting reel. 

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8 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I don't honestly have enough experience with Daiwa to comment on what difference either would make. I've never fished a Steez and haven't upgraded the bearings in mine to know if it would make a difference. FWIW, my Zillion cast further than I can effectively set the hook with a 3/8oz jig (the same approximate weight as a weightless senko), so I'm not by any means saying it's a slouch in the casting department, just not my furthest casting reel. 

I get what you mean about the weight of a jig and Senko being similar, but there’s something about a wacky worm being hooked in the middle that seems to lose momentum over a front-weighted jig when skipping.  I know, I should use spinning gear for skipping wackies but I have a 3 times surgically repaired right wrist and need to use my left hand.  I’m just much more comfortable using my left hand with a baitcaster than spinning.  Just trying to find the right equipment to do this.  Don’t want to necessarily spend bank just to skip wacky worms, but it is something I do a lot.  

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I use an Alphas SV 105 to skip wacky senkos and 1/16 and 1/18 oz flick shake heads wacky on finesse worms around docks.  It does a great job.  I haven't used my Tatula SV to skip these baits but with the heavier spool I can't imagine it would be any better.  The Alphas SV/SV105 is weightless worm dock skipping perfection in my book.

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On 8/20/2018 at 9:00 PM, iabass8 said:

Never used the Curado DC but stock the Tatula SV TW isn't anything to write home about distance wise but it's about as use friendly as a reel gets. However, drop a pair of 20$ hedgehog ZR's in it and the reel really opens up. I've put it on a DX742C specifically for senkos because new bearings really opened the reel up. Can skip and cast as far as I want w/o any problems.  Only complaint is the spool is a little deeper than I want for 10# line but it now performs just really well. I'm not crazy about stock daiwa bearings to begin with. I've got a few SV TW's and A's /w the SV TW spools in all of them. Just an awesome spool. Especially /w a set of office ZPI's in the reel. 

Totally agree and exactly my experience, the Tatula SV really comes to life and shines with some HH ZR bearings. The Zillion SV also does well with the ZPIs installed. 

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3 hours ago, kschultz76 said:

Totally agree and exactly my experience, the Tatula SV really comes to life and shines with some HH ZR bearings. The Zillion SV also does well with the ZPIs installed. 

Were your HH bearings louder than stock? They also didn't seem as smooth as the factory bearings even after oiling. I installed HH Air Bearings and snatched them out within 10 mins. I have heard a lot of people who like them but just not my cup of tea. I am going to try ZPIs soon though. Just need to install them and they seem to be very nice.

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7 hours ago, Stephen B said:

Were your HH bearings louder than stock? They also didn't seem as smooth as the factory bearings even after oiling. I installed HH Air Bearings and snatched them out within 10 mins. I have heard a lot of people who like them but just not my cup of tea. I am going to try ZPIs soon though. Just need to install them and they seem to be very nice.

I’ve never used the Airs, only the ZRs. Haven’t noticed any problems with smoothness and the spool runs really fluidly on them on the cast. They’re a bit noisier, but any aftermarket ceramic bearings that’s properly oiled is going to be louder then stock bearings. Especially stock bearings that are over oiled/greased. 

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On 8/20/2018 at 9:00 PM, iabass8 said:

Never used the Curado DC but stock the Tatula SV TW isn't anything to write home about distance wise but it's about as use friendly as a reel gets. However, drop a pair of 20$ hedgehog ZR's in it and the reel really opens up. I've put it on a DX742C specifically for senkos because new bearings really opened the reel up. Can skip and cast as far as I want w/o any problems.  Only complaint is the spool is a little deeper than I want for 10# line but it now performs just really well. I'm not crazy about stock daiwa bearings to begin with. I've got a few SV TW's and A's /w the SV TW spools in all of them. Just an awesome spool. Especially /w a set of office ZPI's in the reel. 

You mention the HH ZRs and the Office ZPIs, which would you recommend? Might pick some up to throw in my Fuego CT that I have and Tatula SV I'll be getting. Noticeable difference for the little price increase for the ZPI?

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I recommend the office zpi. hedgehog zr are an amazing value for the price. Really quiet, smooth bearings. 

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My Steez TW SV is a skipping beast with baits down to 1/4 oz.  My Daiwa SV103 was decent too when I had it.  Both were much better than the 2015 Shimano Metanium DC for skipping.  I believe the Met DC and Curado DC will share the same DCi5 control system.  Now, the DC 4x8 system in the Antares is supposed to be legendary - Unicorns, Rainbows, 100 meter casts and skipping hair jigs.  

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On 8/22/2018 at 8:10 PM, offsidewing said:

My Steez TW SV is a skipping beast with baits down to 1/4 oz.  My Daiwa SV103 was decent too when I had it.  Both were much better than the 2015 Shimano Metanium DC for skipping.  I believe the Met DC and Curado DC will share the same DCi5 control system.  Now, the DC 4x8 system in the Antares is supposed to be legendary - Unicorns, Rainbows, 100 meter casts and skipping hair jigs.  

I experienced the same thing with my 2015 metanium dc.  Thought it was going to be the ultimate skipper but was pretty underwhelmed.  Did you ever get to test the antares dc 4x8 to compare against your steez.  I am more of a shimano guy but was thinking of getting the jdm 8:1 gear steez sv tw just for skipping.  If the antares would be even better i would likely go that route though.  Any input is appreciated!  

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My personal experience is that with the Tatula SV, I'm not going to set any distance records, or even my personal best distance records. However at the end of the day, it will cast for a greater distance especially with lighter lures as it will birds nest less, so it's a trade off for a longer single cast, or longer total casting distance among all casts due to less backlashing.

 

My oldest son's Curado K casts further, as does his Black Max. My youngest son's Pflueger Supreme XT casts even further and brakes every bit as well as the Curado.

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