Long ago I was  taught to tie on the double part of the wire because if tied inside the gap the ends of the split ring can damage the line . Now I tie in the gap . I  think it holds better and doesnt damage the line . To accomplish this ,  because my eye-sight isnt great , I just tie it anywhere  then slide it over to the gap and  re-tighten . What are your thoughts ?

 

PS.  I use a trillene knot .

  Long ago I was  taught to tie on the double part of the wire because if tied inside the gap the ends of the split ring can damage the line . Now I tie in the gap . I  think it holds better and doesnt damage the line . To accomplish this ,  because my eye-sight isnt great , I just tie it anywhere  then slide it over to the gap and  re-tighten . What are your thoughts ?

 

PS.  I use a trillene knot .

My thoughts are when I tie to a split ring I put.on oval ones so it doesn't get in the gap.  Where those split rings are cut off they have some sharp edges sometimes and I would like to avoid a lost fish.

I don’t tie in the gap. Just cause my oval rings the gap is on the side and doesn’t make fishing the bait effective

I have never really thought about this. I have always just tie the knot, wet it, cinch it down. Where it lands is where it lands. I don't think it really matters.

I don't tie to split rings, taking them off of every hardbait I buy. I use snaps bc of their convenience. So, I really don't know whether split rings damage line. Esp if one is changing baits very often -re-tying. If I were to do it, the Trilene would prob be the safest bet though.

The sharp wire ends at the gap of a split ring can easily cut the line when clinching the knot tight and the knot slides into the gap when tieing most knots.

Oval split rings with the gap on the long side help to resolve the line damage issue.

I use clip/snap in lieu of split rings, learned my lesson a long time ago.

Tom

Wrb. What snap do you use?  My only issue with snaps are that some tend to snag weeds more than others.

I have put oval split rings on some my baits but I still have plenty with standard split rings. I never worried about it as to where the knot was. I haven't lost any fish due to the split ring causing problems with the line.

27 minutes ago, jbrew73 said:

Wrb. What snap do you use?  My only issue with snaps are that some tend to snag weeds more than others.

Owner Hyper Weld Quick snaps, size 2 (35 lb). For decades I used Berkley size 3 Cross link snaps , the clips wire ends face the lure and don't snag weeds, the diving bill and hooks do!

Tom

I agree with @WRB. Not all split rings are the same. Some have sharp edges, some don't. If you get one with a sharp edge in the right spot, it's all over. Once you've seen it with your own eyes, you'll never trust them again, but it's not easy to catch one before it catches you. I was having mysterious line breaks and noticed some of the edges were sharp, so I started looking closely at my split rings. I found some that I could tie to and pull on the knot and it cut every time.

 

I use the small size Norman speed clips. I remove most of my split rings.

I generally try to tie to the double part, but like @WRB said I generally try and use a snap for the line tie. My go-to's have been the Decoy Egg snaps. Size 2 or 3 for most baits. Size 4 or 5 for bigger siwmbaits. 

30 minutes ago, MassYak85 said:

My go-to's have been the Decoy Egg snaps.

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I always tie on the double part and preferably, directly opposite the gap if not using an oval ring. Eliminates risk of line cutting, puts the single section of wire on the bait's screw eye for theoretically more action, and at least one study suggests that the larger the wire ring you tie to, the stronger the knot.

The consensus is to stay away from the gap , so i'll go back to tying that way . 

This is something that I try not to overthink - however - there have been times when a particular split ring has gotten a rust spot on it, or got bent slightly out of round or I took it off to use a snap and I've since become disgusted with snaps - whatever.  Anyway, when any of that stuff happens -which isn't very often but it does happen, I replace the split ring with an oval one, because I don't like the idea of the knot being between two pieces of potentially sharp ends.

17 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

My thoughts are when I tie to a split ring I put.on oval ones so it doesn't get in the gap.  Where those split rings are cut off they have some sharp edges sometimes and I would like to avoid a lost fish.

+1  ... I prefer the oval split rings in the #3 to #5 size range for the reasons mentioned .

7 hours ago, Team9nine said:

at least one study suggests that the larger the wire ring you tie to, the stronger the knot.

The stronger the knot? If you tie to very fine wire, it's more likely to break your line, so tying to larger line would be less likely to break your line, but I don't think it has any effect on the knot itself, does it?

 

2 hours ago, fin said:

The stronger the knot? If you tie to very fine wire, it's more likely to break your line, so tying to larger line would be less likely to break your line, but I don't think it has any effect on the knot itself, does it?

According to the study, the smaller the wire (believe they used a round rod of different diameters) you wrap a given line around, the more the line has to bend (tighter circle) putting extra stretch and stress on the outside curve and weakening it. I don’t believe they tested different strength monofilaments on the same size wire.

37 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

 

According to the study, the smaller the wire (believe they used a round rod of different diameters) you wrap a given line around, the more the line has to bend (tighter circle) putting extra stretch and stress on the outside curve and weakening it. I don’t believe they tested different strength monofilaments on the same size wire.

One article I read made the claim that a smaller lb test can be stronger than a thicker line when tied to a small hook because there is less stress on  it .

On 9/8/2019 at 11:28 AM, WRB said:

Owner Hyper Weld Quick snaps, size 2 (35 lb).

... don't snag weeds, the diving bill and hooks do!

Tom

Ditto

Ditto.

On 9/8/2019 at 1:28 PM, WRB said:

Owner Hyper Weld Quick snaps, size 2 (35 lb). For decades I used Berkley size 3 Cross link snaps , the clips wire ends face the lure and don't snag weeds, the diving bill and hooks do!

Tom

My size #2 are rated 60lb.

size #1 is rated 33lb.

Here is a link https://www.ownerhooks.com/product/hyper-welded-quick-snap/

1 hour ago, Dwight Hottle said:

My size #2 are rated 60lb.

size #1 is rated 33lb.

Here is a link https://www.ownerhooks.com/product/hyper-welded-quick-snap/

I use size 2, loosing my memory and should look before I leap!

Tom