33 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

We get a similar result on speckled trout feeding in winter tide passes on tiny glass minnows - the flash is all you need.  Small baitfish "ball up", and as far as the trout are concerned, they're slashing into a bait ball.  

Noteworthy, redfish won't buy it then, and for them you need to "match the hatch"

I stumbled onto a crazy blue cat bite while using a jigging spoon to target schooling bass and wipers once on a guide trip. The bass/wipers were boiling on shad on a big flat in an off limits area to boats so casting distance was a premium, making the jigging spoon a perfect option. Every time that the guy I was guiding would let his spoon sink for a second below the school though, a blue cat would engulf it. Not big ones, but plenty big to be a task on bass gear. We ended up snapping the spoons off the bottom for blue cats on purpose and just hammered them until we got worn out hauling them in. They'd missed no meals.

@Bluebasser86

I grew up targeting first-light jumps in highland lakes with my dad.  

Yes, all kinds of fish are drawn to the feeding frenzy (similar to blackwater in the surf or jetties).  

 

If you hit a white bass run just right, the big males and females will push the shad upriver ahead of them.  Here, the white flagstone is black with bait and a white footprint opens up for you every step.  

One day like that, I caught the same largemouth 7 times - couldn't miss him for the scar on his head.  

I cast and jig all my spoons? Didn’t know there was a difference 

30 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

I cast and jig all my spoons? Didn’t know there was a difference 

Jigging spoons and casting spoons are very different animals though. Casting/flutter spoons are thinner and larger and typically made of stamped or pressed metal, while jigging/slab spoons are usually just compact pieces of painted lead.  

Just now, Bluebasser86 said:

Jigging spoons and casting spoons are very different animals though. Casting/flutter spoons are thinner and larger and typically made of stamped or pressed metal, while jigging/slab spoons are usually just compact pieces of painted lead.  

Well what if I like to jig the ones that flutter?? Hahah. 
 

the ones l like are cotton Cordell, little Cleo, and kastmaster. I used to use Cleo exclusively but that gets expensive. I’ve also hooked some nice ones with silver minnow and the h20 express copy but haven’t landed them yet 

47 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

Well what if I like to jig the ones that flutter?? Hahah. 
 

the ones l like are cotton Cordell, little Cleo, and kastmaster. I used to use Cleo exclusively but that gets expensive. I’ve also hooked some nice ones with silver minnow and the h20 express copy but haven’t landed them yet 

That's fishing a flutter spoon, you can do it vertically as well as horizontally. Flutter spoons sink like a feather falls, jigging spoons sink more like a rock. 

1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

That's fishing a flutter spoon, you can do it vertically as well as horizontally. Flutter spoons sink like a feather falls, jigging spoons sink more like a rock. 

So what’s a casting spoon do? 

58 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

So what’s a casting spoon do? 

 

If you retrieve it right, it "dances".  Otherwise, it just wobbles.           jj

Just now, jimmyjoe said:

 

If you retrieve it right, it "dances".  Otherwise, it just wobbles.           jj

 But that’s what my jigging spoons and flutter spoons do too! They all seem to get eaten by bass, that’s the common denominator 

Just now, TnRiver46 said:

 But that’s what my jigging spoons and flutter spoons do too! They all seem to get eaten by bass, that’s the common denominator 

 

You must be living in the right part of the world!  ?      jj

9 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

You must be living in the right part of the world!  ?      jj

Lots o shad, most of them about the size of a spoon 

19 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

But that’s what my jigging spoons and flutter spoons do too!

I thought casting spoons and flutter spoons were the same thing .

44 minutes ago, scaleface said:

I thought casting spoons and flutter spoons were the same thing .

Maybe that’s why I couldn’t cipher the difference 

11 hours ago, scaleface said:

I thought casting spoons and flutter spoons were the same thing .

Spoons built specifically to be flutter spoons are typically longer, thinner, and lighter than casting spoons of equal size, allowing for a slower fall since most bites occur on the fall. There's exceptions to the rules like the R2S Worldwide spoon that is actually pretty heavy and compact but it was designed to be used as a flutter spoon in deep dock stalls on the Ozark lakes so a faster fall allows for you to cover more water. Compared to a similar sized casting spoon like a 4 1/4" Dardevle spoon though, a 4" WW spoon is a full ounce lighter (1oz vs 2oz). The casting spoon needs the weight to keep it down during a steady retrieve whereas the flutter spoon only needs enough weight to get the appropriate action during the fall. More typical shaped flutter spoons like a Strike King Sexy Spoon carry less weight for their size, with a 5.5" version weighing only 1.3oz. 

 

Most flutter spoons don't have as much action on a straight retrieve because they're a narrower shape instead of teardrop shaped like a lot of casting spoons. 

 

Yes the 2 can be used interchangeably and they are similar, but they are not the same thing. 

  I had no idea how many people were interested in spoons.       jj

2 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

  I had no idea how many people were interested in spoons.       jj

The first rule of spoon club is you don't talk about spoon club. From tiny shad and trout spoon to massive striped bass trolling spoons, and everything in between. 

1 hour ago, BassWhole! said:

The first rule of spoon club is you don't talk about spoon club. From tiny shad and trout spoon to massive striped bass trolling spoons, and everything in between. 

 

Gotcha!  ?         jj

5 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

  I had no idea how many people were interested in spoons.       jj

I also fish XUL spoons for winter glass minnow imitation

These are 3 to 5 g

The white is glow for nite-lite dock fishing

yes, they came from Japan, and the stinger hooks are Vanfook

36 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

I also fish XUL spoons for winter glass minnow imitation

These are 3 to 5 g

The white is glow for nite-lite dock fishing

yes, they came from Japan, and the stinger hooks are Vanfook

Did they come with the braid or did you modify them?

4 minutes ago, Skunkmaster-k said:

Did they come with the braid or did you modify them?

Hi bro, 

Vanfook stingers and jig hooks come ready to go.  

The spoon hooks are Twin Dancer

 

3 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

Hi bro, 

Vanfook stingers and jig hooks come ready to go.  

The spoon hooks are Twin Dancer

 

Bro. Lol

46 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said:

I also fish XUL spoons for winter glass minnow imitation

These are 3 to 5 g

The white is glow for nite-lite dock fishing

yes, they came from Japan, and the stinger hooks are Vanfook

 

This helps, too.  https://outdooraddictions.wordpress.com/2015/01/01/the-trailing-hook-method/

 

jj

Getting in the weeds with terminology trying to define anything in regional bass fishing is nearly impossible today.

I call the heavy body spoons structure spoons sometimes called jigging spoons and cast them same as the traditional spoons like a Daredevil. 

Bomber Slab spoon and Lurh Jensen Crippled herring are both heavy body structure spoons that actually flutter as the sink down flat much faster ROF then lighter weight spoons the same size.

The 6” & 8” long Lake Fork type flutter spoons are newer to bass fishing but have been around decades for Lake Trout in Canada for example. 

Jigging a spoon or swimming a spoon can be done successfully with any spoon.

Peace,

Tom

Offshore, there's a fine line between jig and spoon.  

Tady's Surface Spoons are a big aluminum cone sliced in half.  

 

Similar slow flutter for casting into surface pelagics is Hogy's epoxy jig

This is a Major Craft Slow Jig made for casting to tomorrow and fishing the whole column down to  40'

16 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

This helps, too.  https://outdooraddictions.wordpress.com/2015/01/01/the-trailing-hook-method/

 

jj

This actually answered the questions I had. Thanks . I don’t see any reason not to convert to stinger hooks unless they snag on the bottom more .