36 minutes ago, fishballer06 said:

The rules are written this way to prevent anglers from teaming up with their buddies and allowing one another to cheat the rules. I hope this helps explain why the rules are the way they are.

Rules for thee but not for me? Like the Johnston brothers do? They team up every Tournament, hell they even share their earnings and bank accounts. It’s ridiculous, that’s what it is. BASS plays favorites, level the playing field, let everyone take a polygraph before and after each and every tournament. 

 

18 minutes ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

 

Scott knows who it is. Get Ur Fish on knows who it is. BASS knows who it is.

 

Thats not what anonymous is.

 

Should I make a handy job aid or a diagram to map it out for you?

Put up or shut up. Where’s your proof?

Youtube? Gossip? Where is the video that you’ve never seen? 🤣😂🤣

 

You go on and kowtow that garbage..

Or present the actual video you’ve never seen lmao. 

Just now, F14A-B said:

Rules for thee but not for me? Like the Johnston brothers do? They team up every Tournament, hell they even share their earnings and bank accounts. It’s ridiculous, that’s what it is.

Rules specifically state other competitors can share information amongst each other. Like it or not (I personally don't like the way they bully themselves around), but they're not breaking any rules. 

49 minutes ago, NoFroFishing said:

Regardless, if he passes the test, what happens to the person who lied on him? Nothing? If that is the case then what does Scott gain from this? His rep is already being tarnished with a test or without the test. 

I disagree. If Scott passes the test, all is good. His reputation isn't tarnished over this one event, and he continues to fish the Elites. 

 

Instead, he refuses to take BASS' polygraph test and quits the Elites. That 100% screams guilty to me. 

10 minutes ago, F14A-B said:

Rules for thee but not for me? Like the Johnston brothers do? They team up every Tournament, hell they even share their earnings and bank accounts. It’s ridiculous, that’s what it is. BASS plays favorites, level the playing field, let everyone take a polygraph before and after each and every tournament. 

 

Put up or shut up. Where’s your proof?

Youtube? Gossip? Where is the video that you’ve never seen? 🤣😂🤣

 

You go on and kowtow that garbage..

Or present the actual video you’ve never seen lmao. 

It’s so amazing that you are going to die on this hill. Scott Martin isn’t worth it.

 

With his statement on Instagram he might as well have a billboard up saying “I’M GUILTY”.

 

And of course there is a video. And of course a regular fan doesn’t have it. I guess it’s just Greg’s word and everyone else’s versus your denial.

13 minutes ago, fishballer06 said:

Rules specifically state other competitors can share information amongst each other. Like it or not (I personally don't like the way they bully themselves around), but they're not breaking any rules. 

You would think that people being critical of the rules would take a minute to understand them.  But I guess that’s too much to ask.
 

 

59 minutes ago, Logan S said:

No, it's not...Especially in this context of insider information for the purposes of doing better in a tournament.  

 

You can do that all you want....It'll show you fish/cover/structure just fine, because those all exist everywhere....It's small-scale info.  I'm talking about large-scale info, like which entire sections of the body of water you'll focus on (because most of the time, no can actually practice everywhere in only 3 days).  If you have insider information on which parts are more likely to be successful from someone that actually knows what they're talking about you will have definite advantage.  It might not ALWAYS pay off and it might not result in a win, but the average placement of a guy getting that help over time is going to be significantly higher without a doubt. 

 

People think its like guys getting the specific answers to a test that is most problematic (waypoints, spots, baits)....It's not.  It's the person getting tipped off that the history test only focuses on the American Revolution so they spend all their study time on that, instead of wasting time on the Civil War and other topics that won't be covered (Fish this part of the lake, not that part).  They are are still doing the work, but their preparation is much more efficient so their chance of success is much higher.  

THIS 100% THIS. Knowing what section of a lake is the most productive is 90% of the battle. Why do we consistently see tournaments where 8 of the top 10 guys are in the same area/section of the lake? Because that section of the lake has the most fish or the largest fish. And in a few days of practice, there's no way to be 100% sure that you've found the right area. But a local hammer who's out there all the time can absolutely narrow it down for you. Maybe the bite window was closed or the fish were sucked to the bottom so they didn't show up on your graphs when you were there. You'd right it off and move on.

 

 

Anybody who doesn't understand that, has probably never fished a tournament. 

53 minutes ago, NoFroFishing said:

What? That is exactly what it means and exactly why we don't know who it was and exactly why the person has chosen to remain anonymous. Get Ur Fish did an entire video on it and said the person doesn't want to be known. 

 

Scott quitting doesn't prove anything other than he is done with the BS. 
Again, Polygraphs arent accurante and there was no investigation. This is all being done on a he said she said basis. In a professional sport.. 

get ur fish also said Scott would be disqualified and he wasn’t. I’d get my info elsewhere 

21 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

get ur fish also said Scott would be disqualified and he wasn’t. I’d get my info elsewhere 

Would love to get my info from the source. But he would rather cower.

 

32 minutes ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

It’s so amazing that you are going to die on this hill. Scott Martin isn’t worth it.

 

With his statement on Instagram he might as well have a billboard up saying “I’M GUILTY”.

 

And of course there is a video. And of course a regular fan doesn’t have it. I guess it’s just Greg’s word and everyone else’s versus your denial.

You would think that people being critical of the rules would take a minute to understand them.  But I guess that’s too much to ask.
 

 

The rules are fully understood and the rules remain a joke.

 

A polygraph proves nothing and means nothing. No one here has addressed what would happen to the other angler who supposedly saw Scott cheating if he passed the test. Wouldn't that mean that the angler is a liar and should be punished?

 

A professional org being run with a he said she said rule set is a joke. 

 

You guys are really defending a coward and it makes me laugh. 

45 minutes ago, F14A-B said:

Rules for thee but not for me? Like the Johnston brothers do? They team up every Tournament, hell they even share their earnings and bank accounts. It’s ridiculous, that’s what it is. BASS plays favorites, level the playing field, let everyone take a polygraph before and after each and every tournament. 

 

Put up or shut up. Where’s your proof?

Youtube? Gossip? Where is the video that you’ve never seen? 🤣😂🤣

 

You go on and kowtow that garbage..

Or present the actual video you’ve never seen lmao. 

 They do? Well good for them. Why would I or anyone else care? 

Also yes. Either Man up or shut up. If you are going to accuse then show proof and come forward.  Being a snake isnt in my dna i guess. 

1 hour ago, Logan S said:

Not really. I thought I explained my view in my post pretty clearly? 

 

Not saying I'm the authority on this...But as a guy that tournament fishes and frequently goes up against some anglers who hire guides, get information, etc (it's allowed in the small time stuff)...I know the impact these things have.  You know when you get beat by someone's skills VS someone's info or network, I'd bet all those Pro anglers know it too.  

 End of the day you still have to catch the fish even if you know where they are.  Literally the same

 

1 hour ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

 

Scott knows who it is. Get Ur Fish on knows who it is. BASS knows who it is.

 

Thats not what anonymous is.

 

Should I make a handy job aid or a diagram to map it out for you?

Wanting your name withheld means you are being anonymous or in my definiation a coward. Hope this helps your map.  

1 hour ago, Logan S said:

No, it's not...Especially in this context of insider information for the purposes of doing better in a tournament.  

 

You can do that all you want....It'll show you fish/cover/structure just fine, because those all exist everywhere....It's small-scale info.  I'm talking about large-scale info, like which entire sections of the body of water you'll focus on (because most of the time, no can actually practice everywhere in only 3 days).  If you have insider information on which parts are more likely to be successful from someone that actually knows what they're talking about you will have definite advantage.  It might not ALWAYS pay off and it might not result in a win, but the average placement of a guy getting that help over time is going to be significantly higher without a doubt. 

 

People think its like guys getting the specific answers to a test that is most problematic (waypoints, spots, baits)....It's not.  It's the person getting tipped off that the history test only focuses on the American Revolution so they spend all their study time on that, instead of wasting time on the Civil War and other topics that won't be covered (Fish this part of the lake, not that part).  They are are still doing the work, but their preparation is much more efficient so their chance of success is much higher.  

If you choose to believe that good for you. There's more than enough social media posts from guides around here that someone coming to Table Rock for the first time would have an idea where to start.

If they don't have social media talk to the guy at the bait shop.

Now, if your in a kayak and can't run around at 70 mph and scan them at 30 maybe some info would help but if you can't find fish in 3 days you should save your entry money.

My cousin was in a boat with a guy that got arrested for boating under the influence. His blood came back well below the legal limit. Do you think the police were punished? Heck no, swing and a miss. 

10 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

My cousin was in a boat with a guy that got arrested for boating under the influence. His blood came back well below the legal limit. Do you think the police were punished? Heck no, swing and a miss. 

I won't get started on that kind of situation..

 

Regardless of anything else.. All I am saying is this. If you are going to call someone a cheater then let it be known who you are and what you think you know. 

 

Pretty sure Scott himself said he doesn't even know who it was, officially. 

To me, that is a cowardly way to act. 

I'm not sure where the disconnect is between how and what the rules are vs are not rules. The Jonhston brothers although I don't like them are not braking rules the way they operate. The Team 6 guys(Livesey, Somerall, Loutbe, Milliken), The crew Martin was housing with(Martin, Canterbury, and 2 other I dont remember who) and many other do the same or similar. The difference is its not against the rules to communicate or operate with fellow competitors. It is however illegal to SOLICIT information that is not public. Ie someone randomly offering you information is not the same as bartering for information. 

As far as the reporting of rules violations anonymously. Again you can't report anonymously. That's not a thing. You have to fill out a signed document or the leagues will not investigate. The leagues make the decision weather to list who filed it or not. Same with releasing the video behind the Lake O dq. BASS has stated they saw the video and agreed with Martin that if he self reported it would stay private. Why they made that decision is anyone's guess. That's not rumor or hearsay that is from BASS. 

Now as far as the Lake P dq Scott couldn't fail a poly he refused to take so the investigation is closed incomplete. Ie they can't/won't release information because there was no definite conclusion. Scott has made himself look guilty. His entire side of the story is either half the truth or an entire lie again trying to save face. That's not the leagues doing that's all through Scott. He made the information on the goings on public to the YouTube channels people want to discredit. 

6 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

Now, if your in a kayak and can't run around at 70 mph and scan them at 30 maybe some info would help but if you can't find fish in 3 days you should save your entry money.

Come try this on the Potomac or Bay (or Albemarle for that matter)...You'll lose your lower unit by 10AM on the first day.  It might be effective on LOZ or Table Rock or wherever you fish, but different places are different.  Overall strategy helps a talented angler more than a waypoint or social media post.  No one said anyone couldn't find fish, that's a given at their level.  

 

Not sure why people care who reported what....If a rule was broken the league should address it.  This whole situation is shady and multiple pros have come out and said exactly who and what the issue was, so I wouln't say anyone is being a coward...And no I'm not linking a video, if I can find them without being told so can you.....What a funny parallel that is to this discussion though .  

3 minutes ago, NoFroFishing said:

I won't get started on that kind of situation..

 

Regardless of anything else.. All I am saying is this. If you are going to call someone a cheater then let it be known who you are and what you think you know. 

 

Pretty sure Scott himself said he doesn't even know who it was, officially. 

To me, that is a cowardly way to act. 

Scott also says he doesn't know the angler he traded information with so take that for what it is.

This thread has kept me from working most of the morning.

 

 

Thanks ya'll!

5 minutes ago, Logan S said:

Come try this on the Potomac or Bay (or Albemarle for that matter)...You'll lose your lower unit by 10AM on the first day.  It might be effective on LOZ or Table Rock or wherever you fish, but different places are different.  Overall strategy helps a talented angler more than a waypoint or social media post.  No one said anyone couldn't find fish, that's a given at their level.  

 

Not sure why people care who reported what....If a rule was broken the league should address it.  This whole situation is shady and multiple pros have come out and said exactly who and what the issue was, so I wouln't say anyone is being a coward...And no I'm not linking a video, if I can find them without being told so can you.....What a funny parallel that is to this discussion though .  

Wouldn't be shady if the coward came forward  🤷‍♂️

Listening to Scott's IG statement, I took it as he thought the random fisherman who had given him the intel is the one who reported him. Regardless of who it was who reported, who cares if he was cheating? If KVD had fished tied up in the middle of lake Erie, I wouldn't care if it was John Cox or ET who reported it. 

 

@rangerjockey, not trying to start a fight, but I'm curious what the extent of your tournament experience is? 

With all the information available on the internet , its not wise to do anything questionable or, in the grey area .

 

8 minutes ago, DinkDonkey30 said:

Scott also says he doesn't know the angler he traded information with so take that for what it is.

 

This can all be settled with a celebrity Bass boxing match. Loser goes back to being a Googan sponsor 

5 minutes ago, JHoss said:

Listening to Scott's IG statement, I took it as he thought the random fisherman who had given him the intel is the one who reported him. Regardless of who it was who reported, who cares if he was cheating? If KVD had fished tied up in the middle of lake Erie, I wouldn't care if it was John Cox or ET who reported it. 

 

@rangerjockey, not trying to start a fight, but I'm curious what the extent of your tournament experience is? 

USA bassin about 10 years ago my partner and I qualified for the nationals. a few FLW derbys and Local stuff also.

At 66 years old I'm about retired. Maybe a team deal once in a while with my buddies I will however fish a BFL as a co angler still. Let those young guys run the boat.

3 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

USA bassin about 10 years ago my partner and I qualified for the nationals. a few FLW derbys and Local stuff also.

At 66 years old I'm about retired. Maybe a team deal once in a while with my buddies.

Gotcha. So a good bit of experience but it was a decade ago? I only ask because you speak like someone who's very involved in tournaments, but your stance doesn't align with most tournament anglers these days (in my experience). I wonder if information like we're talking about here is more important nowadays than it was when you were competing. I'd imagine having good waypoints 10 years ago had more value than a good area nowadays where you can break it down quickly with Live. 

 

 

 

 

I'm very cautious of no-info rules even in local events. I had a buddy fish a lake that was in our off-limits period, and before I even talked to him about it, I read the rules thoroughly to make sure I wasn't breaking any. If I can do that in a $40 entry tournament with no polygraph or real way to get caught, why can't the guys making their living off this do the same?

I think it's a dumb rule 

 

Ya want me to not talk about fishing!

 

Good luck with dat 🤣

15 minutes ago, JHoss said:

Gotcha. So a good bit of experience but it was a decade ago? I only ask because you speak like someone who's very involved in tournaments, but your stance doesn't align with most tournament anglers these days (in my experience). I wonder if information like we're talking about here is more important nowadays than it was when you were competing. I'd imagine having good waypoints 10 years ago had more value than a good area nowadays where you can break it down quickly with Live. 

 

 

 

 

I'm very cautious of no-info rules even in local events. I had a buddy fish a lake that was in our off-limits period, and before I even talked to him about it, I read the rules thoroughly to make sure I wasn't breaking any. If I can do that in a $40 entry tournament with no polygraph or real way to get caught, why can't the guys making their living off this do the same?

It's entirely possible, but I remember when we didn't have GPS or even 2d. The old flasher didn't tell you anything close to what a pass with side or down will now. 

So just my opinion but if some body had some info it actually may have helped more back then if the fish stayed put. It used to be hard to catch another mans fish, at least for me.

I got burned more than once by listening to others. 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, NoFroFishing said:

 

 

This can all be settled with a celebrity Bass boxing match. Loser goes back to being a Googan sponsor 

If a Googan deal is the prize I’d take the loss

 

Go listen to the first 15 or 20 minutes of Luke Dunkin’s Low Budget Live podcast where he covers this. Luke knows Scott personally and has a pretty good take on this. I mean, it’s not like this very rumor about this very angler is anything new. 

Get a big bald guy , let’s throw some chairs and hello Jerry Springer .