51 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

It's entirely possible, but I remember when we didn't have GPS or even 2d. The old flasher didn't tell you anything close to what a pass with side or down will now. 

So just my opinion but if some body had some info it actually may have helped more back then if the fish stayed put. It used to be hard to catch another mans fish, at least for me.

I got burned more than once by listening to others. 

I'm just thinking that back in the day without good side imaging, having the exact waypoints to a couple productive brush piles (that others likely wouldn't find) might've done more good than knowing that the last 5 local derbies were won in XYZ creek. Maybe it would take a someone a whole day to find, mark, and fish 10 good brush piles. Whereas now, with Live, if you know that it's going to go down in XYZ creek, you can go find 10 brush piles in an hour with Live. 

I agree that having outside info can hurt you as much as it can help you. Which is another reason accurate info about a section of a lake may be the best info you can get. You know it's got the right fish, now you can fish that area your way instead of trying to do what worked for someone else. 

Regardless of what WE would or wouldn't do the fact remains he is gone. I just want to see where we go from here. Does BASS make a big spectacle of it or do they let him go quietly into the night? I'm thinking they will probably just make no mention of Scott ever again and continue on like he was never there.

3 minutes ago, IYAOYAS said:

Regardless of what WE would or wouldn't do the fact remains he is gone. I just want to see where we go from here. Does BASS make a big spectacle of it or do they let him go quietly into the night? I'm thinking they will probably just make no mention of Scott ever again and continue on like he was never there.

I think they likely make little to no mention of it. Personally, I would like to see them put out everything they have from their investigations into the Okeechobee DQ and this current situation. To me, it seems like they let Scott put his spin on the Okeechobee deal and make himself out to be a victim. Balance the scales of justice by airing all his dirty laundry now. 

12 minutes ago, JHoss said:

I think they likely make little to no mention of it. Personally, I would like to see them put out everything they have from their investigations into the Okeechobee DQ and this current situation. To me, it seems like they let Scott put his spin on the Okeechobee deal and make himself out to be a victim. Balance the scales of justice by airing all his dirty laundry now. 

Yes. Agree completely. If BASS has incriminating evidence then I'm sure everyone would like to see it. I have always been a big fan of Martin but I am also a realist. It would do much to remove the hearsay and bickering back and forth between the "Martinites" and those critical of him.

30 minutes ago, IYAOYAS said:

Yes. Agree completely. If BASS has incriminating evidence then I'm sure everyone would like to see it. I have always been a big fan of Martin but I am also a realist. It would do much to remove the hearsay and bickering back and forth between the "Martinites" and those critical of him.

I suspect they won't for fear of a lawsuit over slander or something.

 

Honestly, he reminds me of a used car salesman. 

13 minutes ago, JHoss said:

I suspect they won't for fear of a lawsuit over slander or something.

 

Honestly, he reminds me of a used car salesman. 

 
Worse. A Used Boat Salesman.

13 minutes ago, JHoss said:

I suspect they won't for fear of a lawsuit over slander or something.

 

Honestly, he reminds me of a used car salesman. 

 

44 minutes ago, IYAOYAS said:

Yes. Agree completely. If BASS has incriminating evidence then I'm sure everyone would like to see it. I have always been a big fan of Martin but I am also a realist. It would do much to remove the hearsay and bickering back and forth between the "Martinites" and those critical of him.

They won’t and shouldn’t release anything else. They are the biggest in the business and they will take the high road.

 

After Martin’s highly embarrassing and self incriminating statement on Instagram really nothing else needs to be said.

 

Now if he continues to make an issue of this then maybe they will show their hand, which would be bad for Martin because I suspect that they have a very strong one.

26 minutes ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

They won’t and shouldn’t release anything else. They are the biggest in the business and they will take the high road.

 

After Martin’s highly embarrassing and self incriminating statement on Instagram really nothing else needs to be said.

 

Now if he continues to make an issue of this then maybe they will show their hand, which would be bad for Martin because I suspect that they have a very strong one.

This is when we need someone's agent to "accidentally" leak the evidence like they would in NFL or MLB. 

4 hours ago, Logan S said:

No, it's not...Especially in this context of insider information for the purposes of doing better in a tournament.  

 

You can do that all you want....It'll show you fish/cover/structure just fine, because those all exist everywhere....It's small-scale info.  I'm talking about large-scale info, like which entire sections of the body of water you'll focus on (because most of the time, no can actually practice everywhere in only 3 days).  If you have insider information on which parts are more likely to be successful from someone that actually knows what they're talking about you will have definite advantage.  It might not ALWAYS pay off and it might not result in a win, but the average placement of a guy getting that help over time is going to be significantly higher without a doubt. 

 

People think its like guys getting the specific answers to a test that is most problematic (waypoints, spots, baits)....It's not.  It's the person getting tipped off that the history test only focuses on the American Revolution so they spend all their study time on that, instead of wasting time on the Civil War and other topics that won't be covered (Fish this part of the lake, not that part).  They are are still doing the work, but their preparation is much more efficient so their chance of success is much higher.  

This is so spot on. Don’t you guys remember when BASS fished the Pee Dee River down in SC for the first time? A huge delta system where guys were running thru intercoastal water to get to a specific part of a river that wasn’t anywhere near the take off??? A whole bunch of competitors where in the same area…Duckett fishing right on top of Jocumsen…Now how in the hell did they all know to go 100 miles away from the take off to a different river? The same deal with the Sabine and Mike Mclelland driving to a tiny canal in Houston to catch’em. All these boys are getting (or have gotten) info on these bodies of water. You ain’t finding sh$t on a giant body of water in 3 days of practice. If you do, you may as well play the lottery cuz you dang lucky.

50 minutes ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

 
Worse. A Used Boat Salesman.

 

They won’t and shouldn’t release anything else. They are the biggest in the business and they will take the high road.

 

After Martin’s highly embarrassing and self incriminating statement on Instagram really nothing else needs to be said.

 

Now if he continues to make an issue of this then maybe they will show their hand, which would be bad for Martin because I suspect that they have a very strong one.

I agree but I seriously doubt the high road has anything to do with it. They just want this behind them as fast as possible as does Martin I'm sure. Still I'd like to see the evidence just cause I'm an old man with nothing better to do than read fishing drama on the interwebs.🤷‍♂️😂

1 hour ago, JHoss said:

This is when we need someone's agent to "accidentally" leak the evidence like they would in NFL or MLB. 

Do Bass Fishermen besides KVD have agents?

3 hours ago, JHoss said:

I suspect they won't for fear of a lawsuit over slander or something.

 

Honestly, he reminds me of a used car salesman. 

 

You should listen to Luke Dunkin's latest episode. He doesn't hold back. I think he tries to at first. But he clearly thinks Martin is a total fraud.

 

Paraphrasing:  "It would be like your employer calling you in for a drug test because they think you are methhead and the next day you show up with your own bottle of pee".

 

And other gems... worth it.

Maybe it is just me.....but although I had no problem with Roland being "creative" (which was not against the rules at the time) and Scott maybe (probably) cheating, I really don't care much. Having met Roland Martin, I can attest to the fact that he is a pretty self-centered blowhard who does not care at all about other people. He was (when I met him) rude, condescending and arrogant. I met Scott about 10 years ago, and he was pretty much just like his father.  So, I just don't care what happens to him as far as BASS is concerned. I have however found this whole thread pretty amusing.

 

I agree , amusing. I was a fan of Scott, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t affect me, and he will be totally fine without BASS. Hes certainly not the only guy doing this.professional bass fishing has zero impact on my life. To each their own. 

I would have to think only a tiny percentage of the fishing public cares at all, or even knows who he is

Here in Wisconsin, I don’t know a single person that cares about bass fisherman, and a huge part of fisherman look at bass as trash fish and kill them . I’ve lost friends since I started bass fishing! 🤣

10 hours ago, JHoss said:

How does intentionally breaking the rules and cheating correlate to allowing FFS? 

It hasn’t been proven he intentionally broke the rules. Innocent until proven guilty .

Rules aside, I can’t see how getting info is worse than using something that actually sees fish.  🤷🏼‍♂️

Have they polygraphed the informants?

 

If they're going to ruin the man's brand over hearsay, but insist he take a polygraph, that doesn't seem fair.

He doesn’t seem to have much respect from his peers and that’s very telling. 
 

With the industry in a tight spot,  sponsorship money dwindling, veteran guys losing roster soots, etc it’s only natural for competitors to be less likely to let things go that puts them in an unfair position 

10 hours ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

 

You should listen to Luke Dunkin's latest episode. He doesn't hold back. I think he tries to at first. But he clearly thinks Martin is a total fraud.

 

Paraphrasing:  "It would be like your employer calling you in for a drug test because they think you are methhead and the next day you show up with your own bottle of pee".

 

And other gems... worth it.

Well, It's more like being told to pee in Alabama and then peeing in Florida.

Since you have the inside info here's something that maybe you can answer.

He has to be one of if not the best if not the best on Okeechobee . Why would he ask anyone for help ?

Also who turned him in this time?  Shouldn't that guy have to sack up ,be a man about it and come forward ?

 

7 hours ago, Big Hands said:

Have they polygraphed the informants?

 

If they're going to ruin the man's brand over hearsay, but insist he take a polygraph, that doesn't seem fair.

This is the question I have been trying to ask. Why is this informants word being taken as truth and Scott being the one having to prove innocence. 

 

"This person said you did this, now prove you didn't" I'd be upset too 

Anytime the subject of polygraph test comes up, my mind goes back to this segment I watched on 60 Minutes many years ago.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROhp2aS9pQU

3 hours ago, rangerjockey said:

Also who turned him in this time?  Shouldn't that guy have to sack up ,be a man about it and come forward ?

 

Agreed. If a formal complaint was made we should be privy to the person making the accusation.
It sounds like the person didn’t appreciate his waypoints being sold by Scott for info. I wouldn’t either 

Scott ruined his own brand with his actions. Saying “informants” should have to come forward is like victim blaming. Again the anglers protesting Martin have to file formally with BASS in a signed document. They will not investigate rules violations unless an angler formally files a complaint. BASS is choosing not to release the name(s) involved as is Scott. Why Scott doesn’t want to say I’m guessing involves legality like slander or defamation or the possibility the truth comes fully out and he would loose what reputation he has left. Again BASS leader ship has stated they saw the video of the incident involving the Lake O dq. They have not said he was guilty of a Lake P violation just under investigation. Scott chose to leave before he could be dq’d from lake P. He also said he did not think he could pass the poly. That’s the same as admitting at least some guilt in the situation. That’s all on him, not bass, not the other anglers, not the general public. 

22 hours ago, NoFroFishing said:

Regardless, if he passes the test, what happens to the person who lied on him?

Passing a polygraph test means one thing only - you can pass a polygraph test. It does not mean you're telling the truth and the other person is lying. Polygraphs give as many false negatives as they do false positives.

I hear you. Your point is valid and important to me. I’m very upset as well, but together we can figure this out. 

18 hours ago, Pumpkin Lizard said:

 

 

After Martin’s highly embarrassing and self incriminating statement on Instagram really nothing else needs to be said.

Mostly this.

 

Not sure if anybody had told Scott or not, but he made a video saying he didn’t violate the solicitation of information rule by telling a story of him calling a guy in North Carolina trying to solicit information from him.