Yes or no and why ?

 

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I don’t know the full story of Dottie. I don’t make the rules. But I’m a pretty straightforward guy. If in fact this bass was only not counted because it was snagged, to me it counts anyway. That guy went fishing, and caught a world record bass. People can make up their own opinion of whether or not the record is legitimate to them, but to discount a record because of how it was caught seems like appeasement. 
 

Thoughts? 

19 minutes ago, LrgmouthShad said:

I don’t know the full story of Dottie. I don’t make the rules. But I’m a pretty straightforward guy. If in fact this bass was only not counted because it was snagged, to me it counts anyway. That guy went fishing, and caught a world record bass. People can make up their own opinion of whether or not the record is legitimate to them, but to discount a record because of how it was caught seems like appeasement. 
 

Thoughts? 

I agree. How do you stop it from getting hooked outside its mouth ? As far I'm concerned it should count.

I've read about Dottie here before. Interesting story, that may never get resolved.

Is it the biggest bass ever landed? 
Yes.

Is it the biggest one within the rules?

No.

 

Some dude named Bonds probably has had this brought up once or twice…same state as well

It doesn't adhere to the Cali rules, so Weakley didn't approach IGFA about it. They have gone on record saying it may have been accepted anyway, but we will never know.

Seems to me that this guy had a lot of character to not pursue this. Could have made him well off if it was validated. FWIW I've hooked  a lot of bass in odd places when they were clearly striking my lure.

I can't see the link, but since it is apparently about Dottie, then nope. Mac didn't pursue the record because he knew it was caught outside the mouth. Would they have accepted it? Maybe, maybe not. But since he didn't even try, no record in my book. 

1 hour ago, LrgmouthShad said:

this bass was only not counted because it was snagged, to me it counts anyway

 

1 hour ago, dodgeguy said:

How do you stop it from getting hooked outside its mouth ?

You must understand why it doesn't count.  Most importantly, catching a game fish this way is illegal in most states.  It's also completely unfair. Do you want to compete in a tournament with guys using large, weighted treble hooks they are dragging behind their boat to foul hook bass who aren't feeding or striking a lure? Have you seen people using this technique to catch salmon?  You wouldn't stand a chance in a bass tournament if others were doing that.  

 

I'm certain this guy wasn't intentionally snag fishing, but many people have been caught doing just that in bass tournaments.  We have to have rules.  We have to draw the line somewhere.  I think this guy achieved something amazing and we should all honor him...but it doesn't officially count and I'm good with that.  And you know what?  That gives us TWO records and something to talk about!

6 minutes ago, BigAngus752 said:

 

You must understand why it doesn't count.  Most importantly, catching a game fish this way is illegal in most states.  It's also completely unfair. Do you want to compete in a tournament with guys using large, weighted treble hooks they are dragging behind their boat to foul hook bass who aren't feeding or striking a lure? Have you seen people using this technique to catch salmon?  You wouldn't stand a chance in a bass tournament if others were doing that.  

 

I'm certain this guy wasn't intentionally snag fishing, but many people have been caught doing just that in bass tournaments.  We have to have rules.  We have to draw the line somewhere.  I think this guy achieved something amazing and we should all honor him...but it doesn't officially count and I'm good with that.  And you know what?  That gives us TWO records and something to talk about!

*Cough* Mike Long *Cough*

7 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

*Cough* Mike Long *Cough*

I knew I didn't have to say it!!!

20 minutes ago, BigAngus752 said:

 

You must understand why it doesn't count.  Most importantly, catching a game fish this way is illegal in most states.  It's also completely unfair. Do you want to compete in a tournament with guys using large, weighted treble hooks they are dragging behind their boat to foul hook bass who aren't feeding or striking a lure? Have you seen people using this technique to catch salmon?  You wouldn't stand a chance in a bass tournament if others were doing that.  

 

I'm certain this guy wasn't intentionally snag fishing, but many people have been caught doing just that in bass tournaments.  We have to have rules.  We have to draw the line somewhere.  I think this guy achieved something amazing and we should all honor him...but it doesn't officially count and I'm good with that.  And you know what?  That gives us TWO records and something to talk about!

It wasn't even close to a snag hook. It was a normal jig. I get that California's law says he can't keep it. I just think it should have nothing to do with it. Bass get hooked on the outside with jerk baits all the time.As long as they are hooked in front of the gills it should count IMHO. He should have been able to release it which would satisfy the legal obligation but get credit for the record.

Until there's a 25-3, Dottie will be the record for me

2 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

I don’t know the full story of Dottie. I don’t make the rules. But I’m a pretty straightforward guy. If in fact this bass was only not counted because it was snagged, to me it counts anyway. That guy went fishing, and caught a world record bass. People can make up their own opinion of whether or not the record is legitimate to them, but to discount a record because of how it was caught seems like appeasement. 
 

Thoughts? 

Thought: The letter of the law of the California regulations and IGFA clearly disqualify the fish. 

44 minutes ago, Deleted account said:

Thought: The letter of the law of the California regulations and IGFA clearly disqualify the fish. 

If those laws were in place prior to Dottie, then of course, Dottie should not be counted. Then it just remains for people to decide whether they like to count Dottie or not as the world record in their own mind. 

California fishing regulations have stated it’s illegal to snag fresh water Game fish for decades. Reason was anglers intentionally snag fish using weighted treble hooks.

Illegally caught fish are eliminated for IGFA records, including fishing without a license.

Dottie was snagged on top of the head as witnessed by several bye standers.

Tom

It’s illegal to snag game fish in all states 

 

link doesn’t work on my end 

12 minutes ago, WRB said:

California fishing regulations have stated it’s illegal to snag fresh water Game fish for decades. Reason was anglers intentionally snag fish using weighted treble hooks.

Illegally caught fish are eliminated for IGFA records, including fishing without a license.

Dottie was snagged on top of the head as witnessed by several bye standers.

Tom

 

8 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

It’s illegal to snag game fish in all states 

 

link doesn’t work on my end 

Guess I need to do more reading on regulations, thank ya’ll.

I believe some states allow snagging fish, some states and bass tournaments have rules regarding the spawn cycle, hook must be inside the mouth.

Tom 

14 minutes ago, WRB said:

I believe some states allow snagging fish, some states and bass tournaments have rules regarding the spawn cycle, hook must be inside the mouth.

Tom 

They allow snagging rough fish and paddle fish, not game fish 

I'm not very smart, but I think foul hooked and snagged are also different. 

According to Tennessee regs snagging game fish is allowed in the Tennessee River, Not reservoirs. Rough fish are allowed to be snagged.

Ever watch a bass tournament where bass are snagged outside the mouth, very common with treble hook lures.

Tom

2 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

I'm not very smart, but I think foul hooked and snagged are also different. 

Read your regs.

Tom

A largemouth bass bigger than the current world record has probably already been caught in the past by someone who did not care about world records. There are many trophy bass fishermen in Florida that have caught bigger bass than the current state record, yet they did not submit their catches to the state since they rather keep their catches private so nobody bothers them fishing. To count as a world record a bass has to be caught in the mouth, not snagged like Dottie was. Might as well count records made by performance enhancing drug abusers if you want to count a bass that was snagged. That is why Dottie will forever have a asterisk since it was snagged, just like those who break records with the help of performance enhancing drugs have a asterisk with their records. With that said, I give the angler credit for admitting he snagged the fish by mistake, it takes a honest man to admit that unlike others that snag bass or use live rainbow trout for bait, and then claim they caught big bass on a swimbait, or whatever lure they say.

7 hours ago, LrgmouthShad said:

I don’t know the full story of Dottie. I don’t make the rules. But I’m a pretty straightforward guy. If in fact this bass was only not counted because it was snagged, to me it counts anyway. That guy went fishing, and caught a world record bass. People can make up their own opinion of whether or not the record is legitimate to them, but to discount a record because of how it was caught seems like appeasement. 
 

Thoughts? 

I agree

I - like all of us here - have had bass swipe at or miss my lure and get snagged in the face or just outside the mouth. I land the fish and never think, "dang, doesn't count though." So to me Dottie is the record. I couldn't care less about such people making such rules - never asked their opinion anyways. It's definitely Dottie. 

8 hours ago, 813basstard said:

Is it the biggest bass ever landed? 
Yes.

Is it the biggest one within the rules?

No.

 

Some dude named Bonds probably has had this brought up once or twice…same state as well

Barry intentionally cheated