I finally took the time to see what all the crying was about. I watched a Milliken Fishing video for about 45 minutes to see him use his Live scope. He did a very good job of keeping the live scope screen up in the upper left hand side of the video. You see what he sees. I just gotta say, MIND BLOWN!!! Granted he didn't explain much in the way of the Live scope and what you are seeing, but you figure it out after a few minutes of paying attention. Just so damned cool to watch the bait hit the water on the live scope, watch it sink to the fish, and to see the fish react to the bait. Pretty damned cool technology. I can see why some people have their panties in a bunch over this technology. I get it. Every new technology has it's naysayers.  But I don't see it being that end all of fishing, as some will try to get you to believe. Yup it helps finding fish. But you still gotta catch the fish. Someday when I upgrade back into a boat, I'll definitely have live scope on it. Just don't see the need to have it on my Kayak...yet.  

No disrespect to you but the age old saying “you still have to catch them” is kinda misleading.  You can’t catch them if you can’t find them.  Gary Klein once told me that there’s no less than 5 lures he can catch a fish on once he finds them.  90% of the game is finding them. The gripe about FFS and I’m a Miliken fan, is that you can find them easier and in places you would never look to fish like out in the middle of nowhere, suspended.  

9 minutes ago, TOXIC said:

No disrespect to you but the age old saying “you still have to catch them” is kinda misleading.  You can’t catch them if you can’t find them.  Gary Klein once told me that there’s no less than 5 lures he can catch a fish on once he finds them.  90% of the game is finding them. The gripe about FFS and I’m a Miliken fan, is that you can find them easier and in places you would never look to fish like out in the middle of nowhere, suspended.  

No disrespect taken at all. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. I understand that this subject is very controversial lately and respect everyone's opinion in regards to it. 👍

I am sure there will soon be AI technology that will find bass, tell you where to cast, maybe even make the cast and crank up the fish.  If this is what you want, why not stay home and catch fish on your computer?  The joy of fishing is not always about how many fish you put in the boat.  

I already posted a GIF of beating a dead horse last week when someone started a new thread on live sonar.  No need to keep beating a dead horse here.

39 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I already posted a GIF of beating a dead horse last week when someone started a new thread on live sonar.  No need to keep beating a dead horse here.

I'm proud of ya.

     This thread isn't beating a dead horse. It's intent was to show that I have finally watched it in action and am shocked out how cool the technology is. That is all. Wasn't looking for another debate on the utilization of forward facing sonar...

Aside from finding them and catching them, the live imaging setups don’t come out of the box ready to roll.  And it’s not the same for every set of water conditions. So you have those variables to learn. Once you know that there are fish in your ‘spot’, you still have to find them with live imaging. Fish that are tight to cover or the bottom won’t just show up. If you’re lucky enough to just find one in the open, now you have to keep the sonar cone on it, make an accurate cast, and find your lure on the screen. Then the fish has to stay in the cone (neither the fish or the boat moves) as your bring your lure through. Only then do you get to match your lure working ability to the fish’s attitude. There is a lot going on.  And then you have to do it again and again.

 

I’ve had mine for a year and it’s a lot of work. I used it yesterday to catch a pickerel and a perch. Could have had more perch as there were a couple schools around. I think I’m just about at the point of figuring out the electronics themselves, getting the cone right, and mostly following a lure. Being in a kayak means the boat moves a lot though which is tough. But if it’s calm or if the wind is steady then I’m just about there. 

3 hours ago, gimruis said:

I already posted a GIF of beating a dead horse last week when someone started a new thread on live sonar.  No need to keep beating a dead horse here.

@Woody B’s lack of a haircut really got you in a bit of a mood, didn’t it? 🤣

 

We don’t need 8 different threads covering the same subject. I’m done here.

31 minutes ago, gimruis said:

We don’t need 8 different threads covering the same subject. I’m done here.

     Reading Comprehension 101. See my above post in regards to your post.

In every population of Bass there are groups that are very catchable or aggressive a wider time period then other bass.

The “other” bass range from uncatchable to difficult to catch on lures and have learned to avoid fisherman.

Live Scope FFS finds these “other” bass letting the angler to Target them instead of passing by. Not only does the angler find them Live Scope indicates if the bass is interested in the lure or not. Now that the angler knows where the bass is he also knows if the bass is catchable or not and continues to try  different lures.

Keep in mind Live Scope scanning FFS is new and still being refined. What we see today will be improved tomorrow.

How will this play out in the future isn’t known, but I can tell you fewer catchable bass will populate our lakes.

Tom

We should all fish blindfolded so nobody can see anything......lmao j/k  but it would bring the mystery of fishing back.  

It looks pretty cool on YouTube, in person it looks like trying to get CBS on your grandmas analog  TV that sat on the floor in a wooden box 

No doubt there is skill involved. KVD made the comment you know how many less casts I would have made in fishless spots having this decades ago? Instead I ground it out on a spot that probably had no fish. I do not like it. I also do think it takes a lot of skill to master. Once you do it changes the game. 

I fished a heavily pressured lake this weekend. I was using my livescope in some standing timber. IMHO these fish have already gotten wary/wise of it. Without casting I had fish that I watched just flat ran away when I "scoped" them.

FM

@Fishingmickey I know the musky did here. I mainly bass fish the river so I think it changes a lot more it’s not as big of an effect. 

Been using typo maps, reservoir construction photos and original Lowrance Green box since early 60’s, never blind always had targets to cast to.

About 3 years ago had my 1st on the water experience with Live Scope FFS and started a thread on this subject stating it was a game changer because it is!

Back in the day using a flasher, maps and memory I had outside structure fishing to myself, everyone was casting to shore targets. 

Slowly bass anglers learned that outside structure bass were generally bigger bass. Today nearly every boat bass angler using sonar knows about outside structure fishing. What FFS Live Scope does is locate bass everywhere including hiding in shore cover like brush or under docks, you know where the bass are, no longer blind or guessing.

There isn’t any turning back technology.

Tom

 

First livescope video I saw was “The Hunt for Red October” in 1990