1 hour ago, OkobojiEagle said:

...continue.  Why?

When the air is dry the line dries and springs off the reel spool. Fluorocarbon isn’t hygroscopic like Nylon is and needs a coating like KVD or Tangle Free to stay wet eliminating spring off the spool during a cast.

Tom

I use all three types of line for different applications.  I do believe Fluorocarbon is more sensitive, and I know this is not a fact, just my opinion.  It could very well be a mere figment of my imagination, but once something gets stuck in my head, it is hard to remove.

 

I also believe Fluorocarbon is strong, and if you are careful picking and tying knots, than it will land the biggest bass in the lake.  The problem I have with fluorocarbon is it expensive and quality line such as Invisx is not readily available where I live.

 

Two years ago I hooked a bass that was a couple ounces shy of 11 pounds.  Instantly it wrapped me around a tree branch.  I fought the bass back and forth for 15 min.  The fight finally got to the point I could no longer feel the bass.  I wrapped the 15 pound Invisx around my hand and proceeded to break the line.  Pulling as hard as I could I could not break the line.  I had to wrap the line around my paddle and pull even harder.  Right when I thought the line was going to break the bass came loose from the branch and I landed my trophy.

 

Obviously I could not fault the line.  It held up far better than I would have expected from any 15 pound line.  Of course the knot held, proving I didn't make any mistakes on tying it.  My problem came with how strong the line would be after surviving the epic battle.  The first thing I did was check all of the line that was wrapped on the tree to see if there was any sign of abrasion.  I ran the line between my lips, as well as visually inspected it for any rough spots.  The line appeared ok.  Unfortunately it wasn't.  The next time I went fishing, I snagged my lure the line broke with just a couple pounds of pressure.  I went to the shore, and reversed the line to finish out the day.

 

The obvious fix to the problem of over stressing the line was to put new line on.  That is exactly what I would have done if I had been fishing with mono, but mono does not cost more than the national debt, and can be purchased anywhere.

 

If I could afford to change out line every time I have a bad backlash, or have to break off of a snag, I would fish fluorocarbon on almost everything.  I know there are many members here, who will say they have the same fluorocarbon on their reel for two years now and haven't had any problems.  It doesn't deteriorate from exposure to sunlight, like mono does, and other than getting a little stiff will last a lifetime on a reel.  I am happy for them and their success with the line.  I wouldn't recommend they come to Mexico on a once in a lifetime fishing trip, and not bring enough fluorocarbon line to replace on their reels every day if need be.  I do believe it will last forever for some anglers, but for me, I'm only one bad backlash away from a disaster. ( After 48 years of fishing with a baitcaster I still backlash.  I guess I am a slow learner.)

 

Because I do love fluorocarbon when it is new, I do have it on my bottom contact rods, where slack line sensitivity is important to me.  For moving baits I use other lines.  The day I win the lotto I will have it on every rod, excluding my punch, and topwater outfits.  Of course the Monkey and I have other big plans for life after winning the lotto, but buying a shipping container full of fluorocarbon will be first on the list.

1 hour ago, Catt said:

 

I don't understand how y'all don't have problems 🤔

 

I've tried really hard to get used to Flourcarbon, I bought Tatsu & Shooter; worst lines I've ever owned. Unless it was newly spooled memory & coils were unbelievable requiring some kind of conditioner. 

 

Abrasion resistance wasn't anywhere near that of Big Game. Shock absorption was practically nonexistent due to the fact once stretched it doesn't return to its original shape. 

 

When Flipping-n-pitching it isn't as bad since you don't have much line out but my way of fishing requires casting. 

Tommy

I don’t know what else to say or tell ya 
 

I really like the stuff for almost everything and I can’t believe I do anything different than most. 
Is it for everyone everywhere?
Obviously not. 

But the majority of the problems I keep reading about on here is just not my overwhelming experience. 
 

It’s all relative I guess, I wouldn’t use mono to hang a picture on wall. 

 

 

I hope you’re feeling better. 
 

 

 

 

 

Mike
 

I fish gin clear water and love flouro......as a leader on all my spinning reels.

Been fishing braid on all casting gear for so long without issues, can't think of a reason to change.

I will tie on a small leader when throwing jerkbaits due to braids love affair with front treble.

 

I have several spools of Sunline Sniper 8# - 12#.

Maybe I'll give it a try on next re-spool.

Gotta be better than the Berkeley Vanish I tried many moons ago....... nightmare.

I like flouro for bottom contact baits, don’t use it for anything else. I use to try to use the cheaper ones and that is when I had those unexplainable issues. Now I stick to primarily Tatsu and I don’t have the issues anymore. 
 

I understand  people not liking it, I don’t like doing stuff that lots of other people like to do or use. The endless options and ways to “choose your own adventure”, are part of what makes fishing awesome.

1 hour ago, WRB said:

When the air is dry the line dries and springs off the reel spool. Fluorocarbon isn’t hygroscopic like Nylon is and needs a coating like KVD or Tangle Free to stay wet eliminating spring off the spool during a cast.

Tom

thanks for your reasoning

1 hour ago, Mike L said:

I hope you’re feeling better

 

Still waiting to start chemotherapy 

 

I don't get it Mikey!

 

I know where you're fishing & how you're fishing, it doesn't very that far from me. My biggest issue comes when casting, Flourcarbon backlashes way more than any line I've ever seen. 

 

IDK ☺️

I guess it just comes down to what we feel more comfortable doing. 
Its hard to compare what one person does to another and expect the same results 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mike

So since I started fishing invizx after making this post. I think it casts amazing. I enjoy the feeling of being connected to the lure and it is more sensitive. I will

probably spool some other combos up with it honestly 

1 hour ago, Joedodge said:

 I will probably spool some other combos up with it honestly 

... or you could fish this combo a couple months to get a little more experience with it.

11 minutes ago, OkobojiEagle said:

... or you could fish this combo a couple months to get a little more experience with it.

Welp I have half the 200 yard spool left and it’s paid for lol. Figured I’d just try it on a combo that needs new line anyway. That’s all lol

Over the years both as a member and a mod and then a member again, I have found line choice to be so personal. Most often, there are some serious misconceptions about lines that are perpetuated through no other reason than bad decisions or assumptions based on extremes. Braid and fluorocarbon are probably the most often applied to the wrong job. Then you have the cases where it just doesn't work for you. I can't stand braid for moving baits. I can't stand mono for contact baits. I can't stand fluoro under 6# or over 20# for anything. I can't stand any line without a line conditioner. I absolutely hate learning new knots. I rely on intuition, feel, and mistakes to drive my success. If a line choice interferes with that, and your fishing suffers from it, then I agree. That line isn't for you. I only know what I know from time on the water. It's a classic case of "YMMV" and I can't hold it against anyone or call them crazy, unless it's @Catt .  I'm kidding, he's only half as crazy as me. He's not wrong: no one will go wrong with his advice. His system 100% will net success.  At this point, I'm not sure what I've done, tried, or changed in my setup philosophy and practice has really contributed to my success. I'm used to it, and it's what I am used to now. The point is, if you want to subscribe to a methodology, then do it. Don't mix and match, until you really know what is what through repetition. This includes a lot of things. Last shot, search for the jig fishing thread. Might give you a better bead on line choices and why many of us use what we use. 

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

Over the years both as a member and a mod and then a member again, I have found line choice to be so personal. Most often, there are some serious misconceptions about lines that are perpetuated through no other reason than bad decisions or assumptions based on extremes. Braid and fluorocarbon are probably the most often applied to the wrong job. Then you have the cases where it just doesn't work for you. I can't stand braid for moving baits. I can't stand mono for contact baits. I can't stand fluoro under 6# or over 20# for anything. I can't stand any line without a line conditioner. I absolutely hate learning new knots. I rely on intuition, feel, and mistakes to drive my success. If a line choice interferes with that, and your fishing suffers from it, then I agree. That line isn't for you. I only know what I know from time on the water. It's a classic case of "YMMV" and I can't hold it against anyone or call them crazy, unless it's @Catt .  I'm kidding, he's only half as crazy as me. He's not wrong: no one will go wrong with his advice. His system 100% will net success.  At this point, I'm not sure what I've done, tried, or changed in my setup philosophy and practice has really contributed to my success. I'm used to it, and it's what I am used to now. The point is, if you want to subscribe to a methodology, then do it. Don't mix and match, until you really know what is what through repetition. This includes a lot of things. Last shot, search for the jig fishing thread. Might give you a better bead on line choices and why many of us use what we use. 

Wow thank you for the response!!!

7 hours ago, J Francho said:

I can't hold it against anyone or call them crazy, unless it's @Catt

 

There's only one crazy Cajun here 😉

I feel like that's redundant. 

My experiences with FC line is well documented in this site, it’s a love hate relationship.

I have come to realize my experience differs from most bass anglers because I tend to use smaller diameter/lb test the everyone else.

Smaller diameter FC casts better and has good lure feed back, over .012D memory increases to the point it’s a negative.

Tom

I went on a couple of FC journeys. When I first started fishing, I put straight 8lb Sniper on one of my spinning setups, no leader. It was fine. I also had a braid to FC leader setup. This was also fine. 

 

Eventually I stopped using leaders all together, and the Sniper ran out. I concluded that FC didn't really improve anything. So I stopped using it. 

 

Last year, listening to all the hype. I bought 3 spools. 8 and 10lb Tatsu and 15lb Invisix. Put the 15lb on my jig rod, the 10lb on my worm rod and the 8lb on my between a BFS and med rod. Like @Catt said casting was... different. I don't think I ever turned my brakes so high on a bait caster. Eventually the stuff settled down or I got used to it. Casting became routine just like with other line. 

 

After a year, my results seem similar to past years. I keep a log. My quality of fish did go up last year, but that has been increasing steadily as I improve. I chalk that up to experience not the type of line I was using. 

 

I'm going back to the lines I have been using pretty steadily. I really like Sunline Super Natural. I also use a lot of P-line Floroclear and C-21 co-polymer. 

 

 

In my experience, the only headache on fluorocarbon is getting rid of birdnest, my god they suck.. 

 

1 hour ago, Gera said:

In my experience, the only headache on fluorocarbon is getting rid of birdnest, my god they suck.. 

 

Yeah that's the one thing that really sucks with fluorocarbon. If you blow a reel up so bad that it's beyond hope, that's a costly mistake.