Hey guys,

So I was bored over the cold days and decided to take apart my tatula 100(new model 23 or 24). I followed a video and cleaned the gears and added new grease. I know it may have been a mistake to take apart a reel that was functioning perfectly fine, but I have used it for a full season and wanted to try taking apart a reel (not super experienced with it). After reassembling the reel, it is not as smooth as before I took it apart. It feels geary and just not as smooth or nice. I have tried reassembling it multiple times but it still feels the same. Does anyone have any advice or thoughts about what could have gone wrong?

Thanks in advance,

Bryce

guess, the old grease was better than the new grease

If you're not sure whether the disassembling and assembling were done correctly, send it to professionals like DVT here to make sure. If you're sure about that, it could be some debris got on the gear teeth while cleaning, or you use a new grease with low viscosity, or you used too little grease, or you used too much grease, or you cleaned the bearings and applied some light oil.

The type or brand of grease and oil is way over emphasized. The “Geary” feeling we complain about is still light years ahead of what we used happily not that long ago. There’s a list of things to check that affected the final feel of a real once it’s been serviced. Feel free to contact me if you’d like help troubleshootingfor

What grease did you use?

I have found a lot of reels have this happen - when you clean it, you remove all the sludge and old grease that dampens the vibration and smooths out the gears. Over time, the gears will reseat and smooth out.

There are ways to make it smooth but that involves using polishing agents and such which isn't all that necessary.

3 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

I have found a lot of reels have this happen - when you clean it, you remove all the sludge and old grease that dampens the vibration and smooths out the gears. Over time, the gears will reseat and smooth out.

There are ways to make it smooth but that involves using polishing agents and such which isn't all that necessary.

If so, how long would it take to feel the same as before?

I think there’s something you didn’t put back the right way. I would take it apart and try to reassemble using the schematic.

Are you sure that you put the pinion yoke (platic piece that holds the pinion gear) in the correct orientation? I’ve messed that up before.

11 hours ago, stk44 said:

I think there’s something you didn’t put back the right way. I would take it apart and try to reassemble using the schematic.

Are you sure that you put the pinion yoke (platic piece that holds the pinion gear) in the correct orientation? I’ve messed that up before.

I followed a video but I could try and re watch it again and make sure. The pinion yoke was definitely in the right way at least according to what I was watching.

@Brycecover I put mine in upside down before on a curado. I was pretty confident I put it back together correctly, too.

I don’t think this is it, but did you grease anything other than gears?

2 minutes ago, stk44 said:

@Brycecover I put mine in upside down before on a curado. I was pretty confident I put it back together correctly, too.

I don’t think this is it, but did you grease anything other than gears?

No I didn’t grease anything but the gears. Oil on bearings.

7 minutes ago, Brycecover said:

didn’t grease anything but the gears

What grease did you use?

6 minutes ago, Banned User said:

What grease did you use?

Ardent reel butter

How geary are we talking about ?

Many years ago took one apart that I thought was a little geary right out of the box.

Well, reassembly made the issue worse.

For the last 20 years or so I've been doing " basic maintenance " and not removing the crank side of any reel.

I'd consider myself as a heavy use fisherman and have gotten by just fine.

Hope you resolve the issue.

20 minutes ago, Bird said:

I've been doing " basic maintenance " and not removing the crank side of any reel.

So what does your basic maintenence consist of?

8 minutes ago, Banned User said:

So what does your basic maintenence consist of?

YouTube video would be more helpful but it's basically removing the spool and handle applying a drop of oil on shaft, side bearings and bail.

Note:

These are $100 spinning reels.

Much more and I'd likely ship them out for service as I don't do well with tiny parts 😁

Clean and oil the spool bearings each year and add a tiny amount of oil to them a couple more times per year if you feel them slow down. The rest leave alone until you actually have a problem.

Happened to me many years ago. People want to cite grease or incorrect assembly, but I think it can also be screw torque (over/under , uneven torque)

2 minutes ago, KP Duty said:

Happened to me many years ago. People want to cite grease or incorrect assembly, but I think it can also be screw torque (over/under , uneven torque)

I have put it together multiple times with the same feeling and I tightened all the handle side screws in small increments going back and forth between eachother if that makes sense.

4 minutes ago, Brycecover said:

I have put it together multiple times with the same feeling and I tightened all the handle side screws in small increments going back and forth between eachother if that makes sense.

Right on...just trying to list all possibilities. Maybe some garage door grease would hide the grind, lol.

I expect Daiwa probably uses one of their high-grade, high-viscosity synthetic greases on $200+ reels like Tatula.

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30 minutes ago, KP Duty said:

Happened to me many years ago. People want to cite grease or incorrect assembly, but I think it can also be screw torque (over/under , uneven torque)

Absolutely. I think improper assembly is the most common, but I’ve definitely overtorqued the bearing under the main gear shaft and it will grind and sound horrible.

I think grease is one of the last concerns.

@Brycecover

Is this the sounds you're getting? Hopefully I clipped this right. It should be around the 1hr mark. Also, I watched this in hopes of learning something about FFS but that didn't happen 😔.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxub1VQNGh-QAl70A1ECjv9_kpMoR4VHe4?si=ILKtm-GXEP_-diXM

Each Tatula variation I have has made this sound at some point. Just Tatulas, not any Steez or Zillion I have owned. It doesn't seem to effect the performance of the reel but sound is annoying. I have sent two reels off to Daiwa for this and they come back fine but they eventually started making the same sounds again.

Also, this is the first video where I have clearly heard the noise.

4 hours ago, Brycecover said:

Ardent reel butter

I believe this is part of/is the problem you’re experiencing. I used Ardent on my reels until I had the same issue and discovered the Ardent grease “crystallized” when I reopened the reels. I switched over to Shimano grease, which a lot of BR members recommended, chucked the Ardent in the trash and haven’t any further issues.

37 minutes ago, FishTank said:

@Brycecover

Is this the sounds you're getting? Hopefully I clipped this right. It should be around the 1hr mark. Also, I watched this in hopes of learning something about FFS but that didn't happen 😔.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxub1VQNGh-QAl70A1ECjv9_kpMoR4VHe4?si=ILKtm-GXEP_-diXM

Each Tatula variation I have has made this sound at some point. Just Tatulas, not any Steez or Zillion I have owned. It doesn't seem to effect the performance of the reel but sound is annoying. I have sent two reels off to Daiwa for this and they come back fine but they eventually started making the same sounds again.

Also, this is the first video where I have clearly heard the noise.

That is the exact noise, but mine is not quite that loud. Maybe that’s just how his mic picked it up but that is how it sounds. Maybe I should stick to zillion then. Like mine better anyways. On the zillion hd how does the finis holdup? How about the alphas sv?

15 minutes ago, J._Bricker said:

I believe this is part of/is the problem you’re experiencing. I used Ardent on my reels until I had the same issue and discovered the Ardent grease “crystallized” when I reopened the reels. I switched over to Shimano grease, which a lot of BR members recommended, chucked the Ardent in the trash and haven’t any further issues.

Next time I open one I will use Shimano. But I did the same thing to my curado 150 after 1 year of use and it felt great…