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So I know most use braid/fluoro leader when they're jig/t-rig fishing. But I've always worried about that extra knot possibly failing on me.

 

I've had great success using Trilene mono over the years. But I've been wondering if copoly would be a better choice. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? And what brand would be best for this application? 

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I’ve been using izorline(sp) and haven’t had any problems with it. I fish an extremely rocky lake and that stuff has taken a beating and holds up well. I’m using 15lb.

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I use fluoro now, but have used p-line cxx with great success. Super strong. Almost impossible to break

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Maxima Ultragreen 18#  😉

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Catt you aren't pushing Big Game anymore?

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Been using P-Line Flouroclear for a couple years and really like it, especially for the price. 

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4 hours ago, BassCats said:

Catt you aren't pushing Big Game anymore?

Big Game is a copolymer line, wait for Catts reply.

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Really depends on what fishing conditions you are faced with....and Copolymers are not all created equal...but most of them will improve casting distance over standard monofilament, but only some will offer good abrasion resistance. Personally I like PLine Cxx for better abrasion resistance and Yozuri hybrid is good also, but not as abrasion resistant. But personally if I'm Texas rigging and I'm not fishing fluorocarbon, I usually use Cajun Line Red Lightning in 14lb test or 17lb for heavy cover. I know the reviews have always been mixed on this line, but I've not found a better monofilament line which performs close to a copolymer anywhere on the market. I fished this line almost exclusively last season, and I never once had a fish break off and never once had casting issues or line problems . The knots it ties are on par with copolymer knots and I can line watch better with the red line. Now I know I'm going to get ribbed for bringing up a budget line, but it just works for me with jigs and Texas rigs, when water clarity isn't an issue. Anyway just my 2cents, but anyone of those three lines would be a great alternative for this type of fishing.

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I mainly use copolymer for jigs and T rigs. Grand Slam Hi-SEAS has been my line of choice the last several months when I want a copolymer. 

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1 hour ago, WRB said:

Big Game is a copolymer line, wait for Catts reply.

Tom

Hmm. Everything I've read says Big Game is a mono. 

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Monofilament: : a single untwisted synthetic filament (as of nylon)

 

Copolymerization: the polymerization of two substances (such as different monomers) together

 

Braid: multi-filament lines, which are strung from multiple strands that are fused, braided or bundled together.

 

Big Game is a Monofilament 😉

 

 

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16 hours ago, NorthernBasser said:

So I know most use braid/fluoro leader when they're jig/t-rig fishing. But I've always worried about that extra knot possibly failing on me.

 

I've had great success using Trilene mono over the years. But I've been wondering if copoly would be a better choice. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? And what brand would be best for this application? 

Until this year I hesitated on using leaders because of knot worry too.  I spent a little time practicing the modified double uni and realized my concerns were unwarranted. I now use a flouro leader on braid for a few of my setups. 

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Big Game is listed on Berkley's web site as a mono, and does not mention it being a co-polymer.  

 

Regarding the line to leader knot, if the double uni will go through the guides cleanly, use it.  It is very easy to tie and very reliable.  Check it for damage caused by the guides now and then.  It works very well with all pound tests of all braids and leader materials (at least the many I've used.)  If using micros, learn the FG, the smallest and strongest (if tied correctly) knot, but it is easy to tie it wrong and not know it until it slips.  It is usually the braid locking half hitches that fail, so some use super glue or UV curing epoxy to anchor them better.

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I know that I'm a simple Coonass but I don't understand the whole braid & leader theory!

 

The idea for using braid is no stretch, strength to diameter; that I get.

 

But why reduce strength & add stretch with a leader?

 

In my simple mind your setup is no stronger than your leader!

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I've never been able to tell much of a difference between copolymers and monos. Some of both are limp some of both are stiffer.

 

McCoy is a very good copoly for spinning gear, it feels about like Stren or Xl which are monos.

 

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Silver Thread AN 40 Low Vis Copolymer Green

9 hours ago, Active_Outdoors said:

 I usually use Cajun Line Red Lightning in 14lb test or 17lb for heavy cover. I know the reviews have always been mixed on this line, but I've not found a better monofilament line which performs close to a copolymer anywhere on the market. I fished this line almost exclusively last season, and I never once had a fish break off and never once had casting issues or line problems . The knots it ties are on par with copolymer knots and I can line watch better with the red line. Now I know I'm going to get ribbed for bringing up a budget line, but it just works for me with jigs and Texas rigs, when water clarity isn't an issue. Anyway just my 2cents, but anyone of those three lines would be a great alternative for this type of fishing.

I use the red line, too. And Silver Thread & Berkley Big Game. 

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3 hours ago, Catt said:

Monofilament: : a single untwisted synthetic filament (as of nylon)

 

Copolymerization: the polymerization of two substances (such as different monomers) together

 

Braid: multi-filament lines, which are strung from multiple strands that are fused, braided or bundled together.

 

Big Game is a Monofilament 😉

 

 

All single strand fishing line including fluorocarbon, nylon or mono and copolymers; 2 polymers, are monofilament technically. Nylon (polyimde) is a polymer, not a monomer. Most, but not all, copolymer lines are made from a blend of 2 Nylons, some polyimde- polyester blends.

The term mono in fishing is misleading, it doesn't mean single monomer, it refers to Nylon a polymer.

Yo-Zuri hybrid is a co-extruded copolymer with a copolymer core and fluorocarbon outer thin jacket, not a copolymer line is the sense of a homogenous blend of 2 polymers.

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2 hours ago, Catt said:

I know that I'm a simple Coonass but I don't understand the whole braid & leader theory!

 

The idea for using braid is no stretch, strength to diameter; that I get.

 

But why reduce strength & add stretch with a leader?

 

In my simple mind your setup is no stronger than your leader!

Catt, on a few of my rig, I run braid to FC because I am lazy and a bit thrifty ( wife doesn’t agree). I only want to work with about 10-12 rods as I would call myself a recreational tournament guy.  I love throwing braid and being able to change leaders to  effect action or to add a bit of cushioning help.  I also find myself throwing like I want to loose it, and often do.  Worst case, I break off the leader, which I don’t mind doing.  That said, I seldom respool braid.

Truth be told, we seldom see bass over 5 lbs, so all my leaders serfice and give me a bit more abrasion resistance.  That is where I am today and would be lying if I knew my preferences in a yr

 

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8 minutes ago, WRB said:

All single strand fishing line including fluorocarbon, nylon or mono and copolymers; 2 polymers, are monofilament technically. Nylon is a polymer, not a monomer. Most, but not all, copolymer lines are made from a blend of 2 Nylons, some are Nylon polyester blends.

The term mono in fishing is misleading, it doesn't mean single monomer, it refers to Nylon a polymer.

Yo-Zuri hybrid is a co-extruded copolymer with a copolymer core and fluorocarbon outer thin jacket, not a copolymer line is the sense of a homogenous blend of 2 polymers.

Tom

 

Ya better revisit that!  😉

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Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid Line is a 50/50 Co-polymer consisting of flourocarbon and nylon. Hybird’s extrusion process creates a true molecular blend of the two materials that is 100% waterproof with the abrasion resistance and sensitivity of flourocarbon but incorpoarting the flexability and stretch of nylon.

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  • Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon
  • Molecularly bonded during an exclusive extrusion process
  • Abrasion resistance, UV resistance
  • 100% waterproof
  • Available in 600 and 275 yd. spools
  • Low memory

Bonded, not coated.

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4 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid Line is a 50/50 Co-polymer consisting of flourocarbon and nylon. Hybird’s extrusion process creates a true molecular blend of the two materials that is 100% waterproof with the abrasion resistance and sensitivity of flourocarbon but incorpoarting the flexability and stretch of nylon.

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  • Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon
  • Molecularly bonded during an exclusive extrusion process
  • Abrasion resistance, UV resistance
  • 100% waterproof
  • Available in 600 and 275 yd. spools
  • Low memory

Bonded, not coated.

 

Can't go wrong with Yo-Zuri Hybrid, still one of my favorite go to lines...

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My oldest son's birthday was yesterday and I got him a new rod and reel, and I got him some Fluoroclear for primarily use with soft plastics so I'll get some first hand experience with it. I chose Fluoroclear based on tackletours review, seems to be the best bet between visibility and knot strength. My second choice was Yo Zuri Hybrid from all the forum members here who I have seen recommend it.

 

Personally, I am expecting it to be fine. Remember people caught fish before braid and fluorocarbon exists, plus if you watch Glenn's videos, he uses it for a lot of things as well.

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35 minutes ago, Boomstick said:

My oldest son's birthday was yesterday and I got him a new rod and reel, and I got him some Fluoroclear for primarily use with soft plastics so I'll get some first hand experience with it. I chose Fluoroclear based on tackletours review, seems to be the best bet between visibility and knot strength. My second choice was Yo Zuri Hybrid from all the forum members here who I have seen recommend it.

 

Personally, I am expecting it to be fine. Remember people caught fish before braid and fluorocarbon exists, plus if you watch Glenn's videos, he uses it for a lot of things as well.

I went from flouoclear to yhb.  The flouoclear in 8 lb was a great trout line, very thin and clear and worked well.  When I went from little treble hooks to larger single hooks for bass fishing I found the stretch factor in floroclear.  On a positive note it handles well so on a kids rod that's a big bonus.  6lb yhb feels thicker and does not handle near as well as 8lb flouroclear.  Yhb was also more abrasion resistant.  For first timers I would recommend Berkeley xl in 6 or 8 as I feel it provides the best all around.  

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8 minutes ago, Angry John said:

I went from flouoclear to yhb.  The flouoclear in 8 lb was a great trout line, very thin and clear and worked well.  When I went from little treble hooks to larger single hooks for bass fishing I found the stretch factor in floroclear.  On a positive note it handles well so on a kids rod that's a big bonus.  6lb yhb feels thicker and does not handle near as well as 8lb flouroclear.  Yhb was also more abrasion resistant.  For first timers I would recommend Berkeley xl in 6 or 8 as I feel it provides the best all around.  

He isn't quite a first timer anymore. I did figure that fluoroclear was a smaller line than yo zuri hybrid or cxx or some others, so I am going to take the chances on the 15lb line on casting gear being pretty decent. I could step it up to 17lb or try a heavier variant if needed. The good news is it's cheap enough!

 

He wants to improve his soft plastic fishing so I thought the fluoroclear sounded like a good choice.

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I have never used 15 so I cannot honestly comment beyond my previous statements.  I do hear people like it, and a review might be helpful.

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Wrong word

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