9 hours ago, BrianMDTX said:

If anything, it makes me double down on ending confrontations politely or simply walking away. 

Exactly. I'm not getting into a fight and risking them gaining control of my pistol.  I'll do everything in my power to de-escalate and end a confrontation peacefully. That said, I'm too slow to run away, and too old to take a butt whoopin so.....

10 hours ago, BrianMDTX said:

If anything, it makes me double down on ending confrontations politely or simply walking away. 

frankly, that makes sense..... my friends dad was a gun nut (no offense to uh... people who likes their iron). he claimed gun people was always very very polite.....very. that's what he said.

38 minutes ago, T-Billy said:

Exactly. I'm not getting into a fight and risking them gaining control of my pistol.  I'll do everything in my power to de-escalate and end a confrontation peacefully. That said, I'm too slow to run away, and too old to take a butt whoopin so.....

For me, it’s not risking them gaining control of my handgun. It’s more that I know your life will change once you pull your weapon out and fire it at someone. So if I feel a situation may escalate to where deadly force may be required, the intelligent course of action is to remove myself from those situations before they escalate to that stage. 
 

Having said that, carrying a handgun does give one the option to use deadly force if a situation escalates beyond one’s ability to either defuse it or retreat from it. I’m also too old and too slow! 

tell it to the jury, "well ya see this guy paddled his kayak right by where i was fishing.....on a public lake"

You guys are going somewhere else with it. He mentioned he caried. He didn’t mention anything else to do with it   This thread is probably about to get shut Down. It’s a talk about basic human decency and fourth grade manners that just aren’t thought anymore. 
what a shame. The hole country could use a lesson in 4rth grade manners. 

I’m gonna go out a limb and guess there’s allot of members here   that grew up with a boot in the ass to teach you manners as a young man. That are bitting there teeth reading this right now. Good thing we grew up to be respectful human beings. 

52 minutes ago, Derek1 said:

You guys are going somewhere else with it. He mentioned he caried. He didn’t mention anything else to do with it   This thread is probably about to get shut Down. It’s a talk about basic human decency and fourth grade manners that just aren’t thought anymore. 
what a shame. The hole country could use a lesson in 4rth grade manners. 

I’m gonna go out a limb and guess there’s allot of members here   that grew up with a boot in the ass to teach you manners as a young man. That are bitting there teeth reading this right now. Good thing we grew up to be respectful human beings. 

A lot of us that grew up being taught to be respectful were also taught "2 wrongs don't make a right". 

 

Do you think he "Taught that guy some manners?" Highly unlikely. The more probable outcome was he went and told people about the jerk fisherman that yelled at him while he was just kayaking. Not saying what the kayaker did was right, but getting into an argument about it wasn't a good idea either.

2 hours ago, Derek1 said:

You guys are going somewhere else with it. He mentioned he caried. He didn’t mention anything else to do with it   This thread is probably about to get shut Down. It’s a talk about basic human decency and fourth grade manners that just aren’t thought anymore. 
what a shame. The hole country could use a lesson in 4rth grade manners. 

I’m gonna go out a limb and guess there’s allot of members here   that grew up with a boot in the ass to teach you manners as a young man. That are bitting there teeth reading this right now. Good thing we grew up to be respectful human beings. 

Dang, the WHOLE country could also use some 4TH grade grammar lessons. They would know better than to confront someone, especially if that person CARRIED a gun everyday and weren't TAUGHT that A LOT of people are just BITING their teeth to shoot someone over a fishing spot. 

 

 

Here is my version of something like this. I'm pulling into a convenience store one day. There are 2 turns, a west one and an east one. I had planned to pull into the east one (I was coming from the west). As I approached a guy put his blinker on to turn in the east one (he was coming from the east). As not to interfere with him, I just turned in to the west one. We got out about the same time and he said, "Is your F'n blinker broke?" That was when I had a decision to make. How do I handle this? I told him, "No, I'm just out of blinker fluid so I pulled in here to see if they had any". He laughed and apologized for being an a-hole.

On 4/8/2022 at 8:05 PM, CrashVector said:

was I the one who was wrong or not?

I'm not going to opine on this point as it's irrelevant. As my dear departed father told a younger, hair triggered me: You might be right, but you might be dead right. What I will say is this: Right or not, if you flash anger at a grown man, which you've admitted to, and a total stranger at that, you shouldn't be surprised if you spark some sort of response. Sensible people might walk away, but others not so much. Then you have the crazies. No way to know where that'll go. Right or wrong will mean very little if someone gets injured or worse. Grown man stuff isn't Jr. High on the playground stuff. I'm not saying that you deserve abuse, or that you should take it, but if you're throwing hard eyes at someone you're going to find them looking back.

 

I'll leave you with this tidbit. It's something that helped me get my head straight when I was young enough for it to have mattered. My sensei kept me after class one night to have a talk. He was curious about the intensity of my training. Specifically with my focus on more damaging offensive tactics and my lack of intensity on restraints. He was actually worried about what I might do out there. I answered that in my head I'm fighting the 6'4" 240 guy in close quarters that can't be otherwise restrained or deterred.

 

He said two things to me that really sunk in. First: Don't you realize that a civilian is basically moving in slow motion at this point in your development? I didn't really buy that completely and said so. He nodded, then went on: OK, do you think a person who's either drunk or stupid deserves to be maimed, possibly for life? I hadn't really visualized something like this at all before this conversation.  My only thought before then was winning, or not losing, but not about real consequences. His choosing of the word "maimed" was the kicker. It illustrated his point perfectly. I won't lie and say that I was a perfect diplomat after that being only 20 at the time, but it was something I seriously worked on over time, and especially after I had far more to lose as an adult.

 

If you are as you say, a tough 45 year old, who cares what some schmuck at a lake thinks? Does it matter if he thinks you aren't? Does it make it less true. Best to keep your powder dry for when someone's truly threatening you or your family. Do yourself a favor and let stuff like this go unless it's impossible to do so.

1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

A lot of us that grew up being taught to be respectful were also taught "2 wrongs don't make a right". 

 

Do you think he "Taught that guy some manners?" Highly unlikely. The more probable outcome was he went and told people about the jerk fisherman that yelled at him while he was just kayaking. Not saying what the kayaker did was right, but getting into an argument about it wasn't a good idea either.

 

Seems a lot of people missed two key details:

 

1. I waved at him twice, THEN said "What are you doing?" as he paddled through the spot I was fishing.

 

2. I didn't confront him.  He confronted ME.  I was putting my rod in the car when he walked up.

9 hours ago, PhishLI said:

I'm not going to opine on this point as it's irrelevant. As my dear departed father told a younger, hair triggered me: You might be right, but you might be dead right. What I will say is this: Right or not, if you flash anger at a grown man, which you've admitted to, and a total stranger at that, you shouldn't be surprised if you spark some sort of response. Sensible people might walk away, but others not so much. Then you have the crazies. No way to know where that'll go. Right or wrong will mean very little if someone gets injured or worse. Grown man stuff isn't Jr. High on the playground stuff. I'm not saying that you deserve abuse, or that you should take it, but if you're throwing hard eyes at someone you're going to find them looking back.

 

I'll leave you with this tidbit. It's something that helped me get my head straight when I was young enough for it to have mattered. My sensei kept me after class one night to have a talk. He was curious about the intensity of my training. Specifically with my focus on more damaging offensive tactics and my lack of intensity on restraints. He was actually worried about what I might do out there. I answered that in my head I'm fighting the 6'4" 240 guy in close quarters that can't be otherwise restrained or deterred.

 

He said two things to me that really sunk in. First: Don't you realize that a civilian is basically moving in slow motion at this point in your development? I didn't really buy that completely and said so. He nodded, then went on: OK, do you think a person who's either drunk or stupid deserves to be maimed, possibly for life? I hadn't really visualized something like this at all before this conversation.  My only thought before then was winning, or not losing, but not about real consequences. His choosing of the word "maimed" was the kicker. It illustrated his point perfectly. I won't lie and say that I was a perfect diplomat after that being only 20 at the time, but it was something I seriously worked on over time, and especially after I had far more to lose as an adult.

 

If you are as you say, a tough 45 year old, who cares what some schmuck at a lake thinks? Does it matter if he thinks you aren't? Does it make it less true. Best to keep your powder dry for when someone's truly threatening you or your family. Do yourself a favor and let stuff like this go unless it's impossible to do so.

That's an amazing post!!!

9 hours ago, CrashVector said:

 

Seems a lot of people missed two key details:

 

1. I waved at him twice, THEN said "What are you doing?" as he paddled through the spot I was fishing.

 

2. I didn't confront him.  He confronted ME.  I was putting my rod in the car when he walked up.

Do you own the lake????? 

 

Maybe he was just trying to get back to the shore. If I were bank fishing I wouldn't expect a kayaker to paddle out around me. I would wave him through and keep fishing or moved to another spot.

 

Maybe he confronted you because you were indeed the A-hole. 

next time that d**n beaver swims over my line were gonna have at it ? ?‍♂️

6 hours ago, jbsoonerfan said:

Dang, the WHOLE country could also use some 4TH grade grammar lessons. They would know better than to confront someone, especially if that person CARRIED a gun everyday and weren't TAUGHT that A LOT of people are just BITING their teeth to shoot someone over a fishing spot. 

 

 

Here is my version of something like this. I'm pulling into a convenience store one day. There are 2 turns, a west one and an east one. I had planned to pull into the east one (I was coming from the west). As I approached a guy put his blinker on to turn in the east one (he was coming from the east). As not to interfere with him, I just turned in to the west one. We got out about the same time and he said, "Is your F'n blinker broke?" That was when I had a decision to make. How do I handle this? I told him, "No, I'm just out of blinker fluid so I pulled in here to see if they had any". He laughed and apologized for being an a-hole.

You got me there lol. 

7 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

A lot of us that grew up being taught to be respectful were also taught "2 wrongs don't make a right". 

 

Do you think he "Taught that guy some manners?" Highly unlikely. The more probable outcome was he went and told people about the jerk fisherman that yelled at him while he was just kayaking. Not saying what the kayaker did was right, but getting into an argument about it wasn't a good idea either.

Very true

8 hours ago, CrashVector said:

 

Seems a lot of people missed two key details:

 

1. I waved at him twice, THEN said "What are you doing?" as he paddled through the spot I was fishing.

 

2. I didn't confront him.  He confronted ME.  I was putting my rod in the car when he walked up.

No one missed it...It's not a complicated situation.  You asked the question, you're getting the answers you asked for.  

 

If someone is honestly asking if they were in the wrong about how they handled a situation, they don't rebut or refute every single response to the contrary.  This thread is just an ego trip.  

On 4/9/2022 at 8:57 PM, CrashVector said:

 

 

I'm from south Louisiana.  Firearms are as much a cultural thing here as a legal one.  My ancestors were subsistence hunters, etc.

 

I moved to the area I am now about 10 years ago.  Where I grew up, there's hadn't been a single shooting since the late 1800's until the 1990s lol.

 

Baton Rouge is turning into New Orleans the 2nd.  I've unholstered my Walther six times in the last 5 years, and pointed it at someone twice with the intention to fire unless the person immediately stopped.

 

First guy was attempting to rob me at a gas station.  Second was trying mug me and had a Phillips screwdriver as a weapon.

 

I'd NEVER even consider a firearm as an option for a mere argument or even a fist fight lol...but then again, I'm not a kid, and I'm fairly tough for 45 year old guy lol

the fact that you've unholstered your firearm SIX times and zero of those times you had to actually use your firearm is alarming lol

On 4/10/2022 at 9:05 AM, DitchPanda said:

Ha yeah like somehow because of the times we live we aren't allowed to protect ourselves. Guy walks up to you with a knife and says give me your wallet..instead of pulling your gun your supposed to say yes sir here's my wallet...oh and I threw in my truck keys and the deed to my house as well...anything else I can get you?

i carry and have plenty of firearms. is your life or his life worth your wallet? mine isn't. the only time i am pulling my firearm is if my life and my family or friends lives are in immediate danger. take my wallet if you want, i can cancel and lock my credit cards in 2 minutes

9 hours ago, CrashVector said:

Seems a lot of people missed two key details:

Final thoughts:

 

You thought this guy was punking you. To your credit you've admitted this by wondering if he measured you as a pushover. Perhaps he did, or maybe he was just oblivious.  Regardless, you flashed your frustration, or anger, even if you weren't screaming at him like a nutcase. He didn't like whatever you transmitted and came and told you so. End of story. Good thing nobody got dead. 

there is always some very important details that are always left out of someones explanation of defending their actions.

We will never know what really happened untill we hear the kayak guys version. Untill then this case should be closed.

I had to look up AITAH....never seen that acronym.   But looking back, I can't recall a time when the answer to someone asking wasn't "YES'

 

 

2 hours ago, Logan S said:

No one missed it...It's not a complicated situation.  You asked the question, you're getting the answers you asked for.  

 

If someone is honestly asking if they were in the wrong about how they handled a situation, they don't rebut or refute every single response to the contrary.  This thread is just an ego trip.  

 

No it was a genuine ask....

 

I wanted honest opinions though, not comments from people simply trying to be ********.

 

This site is becoming toxic.

Correlation or causation?

3 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

Correlation or causation?

 

Lol nice try.

 

Since I'm not the only person who thinks this, as several people who were here apparently since the beginning have recently posted similar things.

 

I appreciate all the genuine comments from earlier in the thread before the trolls found it.

Just trying to be funny....I don't think you 'cause' toxicity.....but it does seem to find you as much as anyone else

Were all  ahole's in someones version . 

2 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

Just trying to be funny....I don't think you 'cause' toxicity.....but it does seem to find you as much as anyone else

 

Isn't that true of anyone?

 

There's a few people here I'm not particularly fond of because I think of them as pretentious a-holes, and Im sure it's mutual lol

12 minutes ago, CrashVector said:

This site is becoming toxic.

I'm guessing you weren't on the net for the old usenet rec.Dot discussion groups. This place is powder puff central in comparison. If you're sensitive about this joint, well, you're just sensitive.