5 fish limit.... total weight..... Unlimited sonar/live scope usage during practice....mark as many waypoints as you can...do your homework... get yourself as prepared as you can possibly be on where to fish and what to fish....

 

Tournament Day - ONLY GPS/WAYPOINTS permitted..... No sonar usage permitted...  You can use your graphs to travel and set up on your waypoints you have marked, but you are not allowed to use any type of scanning on tournament days...   

 

Only GPS/Waypoints; Depth; Water Temp is available on competition days 

How do you plan on enforcing that? 
 

I doubt it will fly since live scope is probably the number one seller in the fishing market right now 

I don’t have or want FFS but I like watching pros use it, don’t understand the aversion at all

 

Same guys will be near the top... So what's the next excuse?   

 

 

23 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

How do you plan on enforcing that? 
 

I doubt it will fly since live scope is probably the number one seller in the fishing market right now 

I don’t have or want FFS but I like watching pros use it, don’t understand the aversion at all

 

Ditto

 

There is no way that will ever be implemented in any professional tournament at any level. 

People were up in arms over the Hydrowave units when they first appeared.

At first the complaints were so loud and often that some wanted them banned also, how did that work out?

 

Now they’re just considered an available tool that hardly even gets talked about anymore. 

In time all new technology won’t be either. 
 

 

 

 

Mike
 

 

Hard to find a web page within bassmaster.com that doesn't have 'Humminbird' somewhere on it.  Good luck putting that sponsorship back in the toothpaste tube

The problem is not Forward Facing Sonar it's trolling motors.  It's cheating if you don't use a paddle.  

7 hours ago, RHuff said:

No sonar usage permitted

Do you mean absolutely no use of any standard sonar like 2D sonar, or no use of live sonar?

 

Banning the use of basic 2D sonar would never fly.  I need to see how deep it is before I even consider propping my boat up on plane, solely for safety purposes.

 

The PMTT (Professional Muskie Tournament Trail) did in fact ban the use of any live sonar partly through their circuit last season.  One team mounted 8 units on their rig and cleaned house in a 2 day tournament in northern Wisconsin.  In response, the tournament directors banned it for the remainder of the 2022 season.  It remains to be seen if they will permit it next year.

Why????    

The pros are pros because they're good.  They're not pros because of some special magic box they have.   

My idea and its picking up ground is to limit sonar to one unit up front and one in back . Use whatever .  

I would love to watch tournaments without livescope. I have lost interest. I have livescope but I don't want to watch someone watch a screen.

 

On 11/28/2022 at 10:57 AM, nbbassin said:

I would love to watch tournaments without livescope. I have lost interest. I have livescope but I don't want to watch someone watch a screen.

 

Watching some of the MLF / BPS tourneys I have seen some pros just start cruising around looking at the FFS.  If this happens when there is a camera in the boat, I've noticed they switch over to another boat pretty quick.

Seems like you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.  

On 11/8/2022 at 7:16 PM, Woody B said:

Why????    

The pros are pros because they're good.  They're not pros because of some special magic box they have.   

 
I agree with this. It would be like the NFL allowing PEDS. All the PEDs in the world could never make me NFL worthy. Do I agree with FFS? no I think it’s detrimental to fishing. There is way too much money involved. The sonar companies would just pull their advertising from any league that bans FFS.
 

 

@gimruis I know guys here that clean up big musky with FFS. I am interested to see what the PMTT does. They are the only big show in town so they can do what they want. I don’t think it will effect their turn out numbers either way. From what I saw from most I think it was popular ban.  One argument can also be they did not clean up the other rounds they were in either. I believe that team did more than one. 

On 11/28/2022 at 10:57 AM, nbbassin said:

I would love to watch tournaments without livescope. I have lost interest. I have livescope but I don't want to watch someone watch a screen.

 

Please help me understand the above statement. Pre-livescope we would watch an angler stare off blankly into space sitting on a waypoint talking out of their rear on their best assumption of what was happening under the water without actually having any actual insight to what was going on. Now that they are staring at a screen and can actually see and learn what's happening under the water it's no longer interesting?

16 minutes ago, WIGuide said:

Please help me understand the above statement. Pre-livescope we would watch an angler stare off blankly into space sitting on a waypoint talking out of their rear on their best assumption of what was happening under the water without actually having any actual insight to what was going on. Now that they are staring at a screen and can actually see and learn what's happening under the water it's no longer interesting?

I can't comment for @nbbassin, but I find the northern smallmouth tournaments in summer unbearable to watch because of this reason.  90% of them are watching livescope with a drop shot.  Not my type of fishing to begin with, and certainly not my type of fishing to be a spectator.

 

I've stated this before, but they could easily have a few of these smallmouth tournaments in the north at a different time of year and avoid that type of offshore vertical fishing style.  People do actually target brown bass with tactics other than a drop shot.  Heck, if drop shotting was the only way I could effectively fish for smallmouth, I honestly would not be doing it.  Tournament anglers have to in order to catch fish.

 

I do not think they should ban livescope.  They did ban it on the PMTT last season after one team mounted 8 units.  I don't really see that happening on any of the pro bass tours.

50 minutes ago, gimruis said:

I can't comment for @nbbassin, but I find the northern smallmouth tournaments in summer unbearable to watch because of this reason.  90% of them are watching livescope with a drop shot.  Not my type of fishing to begin with, and certainly not my type of fishing to be a spectator.

 

I've stated this before, but they could easily have a few of these smallmouth tournaments in the north at a different time of year and avoid that type of offshore vertical fishing style.  People do actually target brown bass with tactics other than a drop shot.  Heck, if drop shotting was the only way I could effectively fish for smallmouth, I honestly would not be doing it.  Tournament anglers have to in order to catch fish.

 

I do not think they should ban livescope.  They did ban it on the PMTT last season after one team mounted 8 units.  I don't really see that happening on any of the pro bass tours.

Before livescope these events were still fished the same way, they'd just use 2D sonar to locate them and drop right on top of them while still staring at a screen, so is livescope really making it hard to watch or is it the technique they're using more of the culprit?

 

I do agree they could mix it up some and schedule a few of these events when other techniques were more effective. 

3 hours ago, WIGuide said:

Please help me understand the above statement. Pre-livescope we would watch an angler stare off blankly into space sitting on a waypoint talking out of their rear on their best assumption of what was happening under the water without actually having any actual insight to what was going on. Now that they are staring at a screen and can actually see and learn what's happening under the water it's no longer interesting?

Actually before livescope they just stared at 2D . Video game fishing has been around 30 years or more haha

 

and after I posted that I read further down and you said the same thing….. my bad 

 

TNriver46 with a breaking news report from the department of redundancy department

 

during the 2023 bassmaster classic you will see people catching smallmouth with spinnerbaits crankbaits jerkbaits and Chatterbaits, drop shot is rarely a big player around here 

11 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

Actually before livescope they just stared at 2D . Video game fishing has been around 30 years or more haha

 

and after I posted that I read further down and you said the same thing….. my bad 

 

TNriver46 with a breaking news report from the department of redundancy department

 

during the 2023 bassmaster classic you will see people catching smallmouth with spinnerbaits crankbaits jerkbaits and Chatterbaits, drop shot is rarely a big player around here 

Redundancy is a good thing, it makes sure we have it all covered....we have it all covered haha