Texas Flood Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 I would think Fujita getting a 100lb bag would be the most memorable moment. 4 Quote
Super User gim Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 1 minute ago, Texas Flood said: I would think Fujita getting a 100lb bag would be the most memorable moment. Perhaps. But you could also make the argument that Fujita specifically directing the camera man not to show his screen on camera and then placing a cover on it was also the most memorable moment. Quote
volzfan59 Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 22 minutes ago, NoFroFishing said: I think he has valid concerns about the direction of the sport. When the most memorable moment from this tourney was Milliken eating quail eggs I think there is a problem. I don't disagree with his take on the "direction of the sport" at all. Randy has a bass fishing YouTube channel. Spends 75% of his time whining about FFS and other issues and being negative. I've been a fan of his since the mid 80's when he first came on the scene. Was a subscriber of Intuitive Angling since his first video. Dropped him back in October. Even though he says he's not negative, he is. Lost all credibility with me. 3 Quote
Texas Flood Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 48 minutes ago, gimruis said: Perhaps. But you could also make the argument that Fujita specifically directing the camera man not to show his screen on camera and then placing a cover on it was also the most memorable moment. I dont care about the FFS issue. The fact that Fujita got 100lbs when Milliken won TB last year with 77lbs, moves the needle for me. 3 Quote
Super User Choporoz Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 I'm reluctant to draw too sharp a comparison between one tournament in February and another in April Quote
JediAmoeba Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 3 minutes ago, Texas Flood said: I dont care about the FFS issue. The fact that Fujita got 100lbs when Milliken won TB last year with 77lbs moves the needle for me. Milliken was in 3 days - Fujita was 4. Very similar per day weights. My problem with BASS and Fujita is not have a translator present. It is very clear he doesn't know English and it would be nice to hear some of his explanations 2 1 Quote
Texas Flood Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 Thats fair. For a better sample size, look at the past winners of the first Elite tournaments. Only a few have come close to 100lbs but only Fujita has got that size bag. Now I did only look at the last 10 years of results, so there could be years that someone else got to or passed 100lbs. Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 There have been over 50 instances of hitting the century mark according to Bassmaster. Lake Fork has given up over half a dozen of those, including all the recent events from 2020-2022. All the predictions I’ve seen have said it will be achieved yet again in this upcoming event. Not sure if there is anything special about the first event giving up 100 though. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted February 26, 2024 Author Global Moderator Posted February 26, 2024 Falcon lake alone has like 16 times where people broke 100 lbs, now it’s not so good. More proof that habitat is all that can ruin fishing, not a black box 4 Quote
Texas Flood Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 18 minutes ago, Team9nine said: There have been over 50 instances of hitting the century mark according to Bassmaster. Lake Fork has given up over half a dozen of those, including all the recent events from 2020-2022. All the predictions I’ve seen have said it will be achieved yet again in this upcoming event. Not sure if there is anything special about the first event giving up 100 though. Still more fun to talk about than FFS after every tournament. 1 Quote
JediAmoeba Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 7 minutes ago, Team9nine said: There have been over 50 instances of hitting the century mark according to Bassmaster. Lake Fork has given up over half a dozen of those, including all the recent events from 2020-2022. All the predictions I’ve seen have said it will be achieved yet again in this upcoming event. Not sure if there is anything special about the first event giving up 100 though. With Lake Forks history, I wouldn't be surprised if Lake fork will give up a bunch of century marks. Maybe all 10 anglers? 2 Quote
Super User casts_by_fly Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 1 minute ago, JediAmoeba said: With Lake Forks history, I wouldn't be surprised if Lake fork will give up a bunch of century marks. Maybe all 10 anglers? Possible but unlikely. if I were fishing it I would plan for 100 to win it, certainly. But for 10 guys to catch 100 lb is a lot. Consider the St lawrence tournaments where there is basically an unlimited supply of 4-5 lb smallies. Finding them and staying on them for one angler for 4 days is tough enough. The odds are not in your favor of 10 guys being able to do it. I would say 3 with 3 more guys over 95lb. Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 12 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: Falcon lake Falcon Lake 2008 Paul Elias 132 lbs 8 oz The next 11 anglers broke 100+ 5 Quote
Logan S Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 I've always been an early adopter of tech in bass fishing...Since back when having a sonar unit at BOTH the console and the bow was a big deal. Vertical 'video game' fishing on greyscale 2d sonar, GPS, SI, DI, power poles, spot lock, and now FFS. So I'm not anti-tech (I'm also not that old, I've just been doing the tournament thing since I was 15). I have FFS on my boat, it's pretty fun to use and catch fish with....But I do think it's a problem that needs to be dealt with. The Toledo Bend tournament was just not very captivating to watch because it was so one dimensional. Don't tell me about Johnston and Lee going up shallow on the final day either, because both of those guys were not realistically in contention to win and on the final day they had a lot more flexibility to fish differently....Who knows, they could have done it intentionally to get the focus put on them when they would otherwise not move the needle as much because of where they were in the standings. On of the most fun parts of following pro bass fishing is that the professional level tactics have always been attainable to normal guys...So you could see KVD cranking a 6XD and go out on your home lake and try to apply the same tactics. Sure, there's always been overhead of boats, tackle, etc...It's never been cheap...But for most bass fisherman, the stuff they saw the Elites doing was something they could try to apply themselves in some way or another. IMO opinion its a key reason why bass tournaments are popular, viewers are not only interested in who wins, they are interested in applying the winning techniques to improve their own game. But now you add a 6 screen electronics setup (with one being 22"), 3-4-5-6 FFS transducers, 360 sonar, extra pole mounts, extra batteries (and chargers) to run everything, and all the other accessories....It really is pricing people out of that experience. Heck, I've got a really nice 21' bass boat, multiple screens, power poles, spotlock, and FFS - And I'm still priced out of the level of precision I saw at Toledo.... And it shows no signs of stopping. Lots of things in bass fishing tournaments are banned because of the real or perceived impact to the quality of competition.... Trolling, live bait, A-Rigs, strolling a crankbait, max HP on boats, jet boats, changing boats during the season, obtaining information outside certain time windows, locations you can or can't fish, etc....I don't see why sonar technology couldn't or shouldn't be among these. We've become so saturated with technology that FFS on top of everything else is sort of the straw breaking the camel's back. It appears to be making the future of bass fishing one dimensional, which is not a great direction to be heading in. I guess we still have the rest of the season to see how it plays out, but I hope BASS keeping an eye on the trend and the fan reaction...Because from my point of view what we are seeing right now isn't sustainable in keeping bass fisherman interested in tournament bass fishing. 7 2 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted February 26, 2024 Author Global Moderator Posted February 26, 2024 I see it the opposite way, more people seem to watch and engage and comment on every single tournament since the front lookers came out. They can’t help it. Post anything anywhere about it and there’s several pages to read thru (this thread is exhibit A). And the people saying it’s making fishing too easy are selling units unintentionally 1 Quote
Super User gim Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 Nice post @Logan S. Very detailed and thoughtful. 1 1 Quote
Logan S Posted February 26, 2024 Posted February 26, 2024 4 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: I see it the opposite way, more people seem to watch and engage and comment on every single tournament since the front lookers came out. They can’t help it. Post anything anywhere about it and there’s several pages to read thru (this thread is exhibit A). And the people saying it’s making fishing too easy are selling units unintentionally Sure, that's the "All news is good news," type of thinking. It's valid. But at the same time, it's probably short lived. Because guys like me will make our peace with the situation and be done with it. If the next couple tournaments are as one dimensional as this one, I'll be mowing my lawn while Bass Live is showing a quad box of 4 guys staring down, not fishing. 4 Quote
Super User gim Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 27 minutes ago, Logan S said: If the next couple tournaments are as one dimensional as this one, I'll be mowing my lawn while Bass Live is showing a quad box of 4 guys staring down, not fishing. Well you can rest assured that the northern swing for smallmouth will be exactly that. Scheduling is part of the issue though. If they held northern smallmouth events in the spring instead of midsummer, other tactics would definitely be at play. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted February 26, 2024 Author Global Moderator Posted February 26, 2024 54 minutes ago, Logan S said: Sure, that's the "All news is good news," type of thinking. It's valid. But at the same time, it's probably short lived. Because guys like me will make our peace with the situation and be done with it. If the next couple tournaments are as one dimensional as this one, I'll be mowing my lawn while Bass Live is showing a quad box of 4 guys staring down, not fishing. I got a bunch of screenshots like this from Toledo I’ll check in with ya next week at lake fork, my grass doesn’t need cut yet and neither does yours 😂 1 Quote
Super User casts_by_fly Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 3 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: I got a bunch of screenshots like this from Toledo I’ll check in with ya next week at lake fork 😂 Pretty sure that's jason christie and greg hackney? Remind me how well they did fishing shallow? if you're not catching fish you're probably not on camera. https://www.bassmaster.com/tournament/2024-bassmaster-elite-at-toledo-bend/leaderboard/?pro=1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted February 26, 2024 Author Global Moderator Posted February 26, 2024 20 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said: Pretty sure that's jason christie and greg hackney? Remind me how well they did fishing shallow? if you're not catching fish you're probably not on camera. https://www.bassmaster.com/tournament/2024-bassmaster-elite-at-toledo-bend/leaderboard/?pro=1 I didn’t say they did well but they were on camera you can watch people fishing shallow and not catching much or watch people fish offshore and slay them, they provide both 3 2 Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 26, 2024 Super User Posted February 26, 2024 This may come as a shock to some of y'all but there are thousands of bass caught daily without FFS. Some with stringer larger than what these Pros caught. 8 Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted February 27, 2024 Super User Posted February 27, 2024 8 hours ago, Catt said: Falcon Lake 2008 Paul Elias 132 lbs 8 oz The next 11 anglers broke 100+ Kneeling and reeling baby 🤣 I’m not sure but didn’t he slay those fish on a 12” worm? What a bunch of fish that ole Paul pulled out that tournament! 6 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: I didn’t say they did well but they were on camera you can watch people fishing shallow and not catching much or watch people fish offshore and slay them, they provide both That’s just Hack, he has no qualm living and dying by fishing shallow via flip n pitch.. 1 Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted February 27, 2024 Super User Posted February 27, 2024 7 hours ago, Logan S said: I've always been an early adopter of tech in bass fishing...Since back when having a sonar unit at BOTH the console and the bow was a big deal. Vertical 'video game' fishing on greyscale 2d sonar, GPS, SI, DI, power poles, spot lock, and now FFS. So I'm not anti-tech (I'm also not that old, I've just been doing the tournament thing since I was 15). I have FFS on my boat, it's pretty fun to use and catch fish with....But I do think it's a problem that needs to be dealt with. The Toledo Bend tournament was just not very captivating to watch because it was so one dimensional. Don't tell me about Johnston and Lee going up shallow on the final day either, because both of those guys were not realistically in contention to win and on the final day they had a lot more flexibility to fish differently....Who knows, they could have done it intentionally to get the focus put on them when they would otherwise not move the needle as much because of where they were in the standings. On of the most fun parts of following pro bass fishing is that the professional level tactics have always been attainable to normal guys...So you could see KVD cranking a 6XD and go out on your home lake and try to apply the same tactics. Sure, there's always been overhead of boats, tackle, etc...It's never been cheap...But for most bass fisherman, the stuff they saw the Elites doing was something they could try to apply themselves in some way or another. IMO opinion its a key reason why bass tournaments are popular, viewers are not only interested in who wins, they are interested in applying the winning techniques to improve their own game. But now you add a 6 screen electronics setup (with one being 22"), 3-4-5-6 FFS transducers, 360 sonar, extra pole mounts, extra batteries (and chargers) to run everything, and all the other accessories....It really is pricing people out of that experience. Heck, I've got a really nice 21' bass boat, multiple screens, power poles, spotlock, and FFS - And I'm still priced out of the level of precision I saw at Toledo.... And it shows no signs of stopping. Lots of things in bass fishing tournaments are banned because of the real or perceived impact to the quality of competition.... Trolling, live bait, A-Rigs, strolling a crankbait, max HP on boats, jet boats, changing boats during the season, obtaining information outside certain time windows, locations you can or can't fish, etc....I don't see why sonar technology couldn't or shouldn't be among these. We've become so saturated with technology that FFS on top of everything else is sort of the straw breaking the camel's back. It appears to be making the future of bass fishing one dimensional, which is not a great direction to be heading in. I guess we still have the rest of the season to see how it plays out, but I hope BASS keeping an eye on the trend and the fan reaction...Because from my point of view what we are seeing right now isn't sustainable in keeping bass fisherman interested in tournament bass fishing. I was on live chat via YouTube watching the tournament live all 4 days.. I’ve never heard so much negativity about a tactic as I did concerning FFS. 70% seem to hate it.. Milliken had a ton of fanboi’s on too! It’s cool tech but it isn’t spectator friendly. Quote
Super User AlabamaSpothunter Posted February 27, 2024 Super User Posted February 27, 2024 Sport has radically changed into something completely new in about 2 years, 50 years from now Bass anglers will look back at things "Pre/Post FFS". With the obvious out of the way, BASS still produces the most exciting derbies, this one was no different for me, and as a viewer I still felt like I was always learning watching the live feeds even though I'm not a FFS user. I also came away wishing I lived on a place like TB full time, what an amazing fishery that is on the way up. Lastly Fujita is the second coming, sure it's in part because of FFS, but dude is next level most events. ETA: I think Walters is slowly becoming the second coming as well, he actually impresses me more than Fujita, but Fujita's sneaky baits and overall aura is great for the fans imho. 3 Quote
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