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@ol'crickety honestly let's just make it 1990s WWF in boats.  Last fisherman standing take all.  One day tournaments. 😂😂😂

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1 minute ago, Pat Brown said:

@ol'crickety honestly let's just make it 1990s WWF in boats. 😂😂😂

 

I'd sell folding chairs at the launch point and distract refs...for a price. 

 

Okay, I'm going fishing. Just in case, I'm going in my loader, like Ripley used in Aliens. 

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1 hour ago, Pat Brown said:

@ol'crickety honestly let's just make it 1990s WWF in boats.  Last fisherman standing take all.  One day tournaments. 😂😂😂

 

It's funny you'd mention WWF.  I've always heard professional wrestling referred to as "soap operas for men".  There's another thread about that made me think professional Bass fishing is the new soap operas for me.   (no intending to leave the ladies out)

 

 

So, I've said many times I don't watch or follow BASS, or any other professional organization beyond what I see here, and through conversations with a few friends who do.   Regarding my opinion on rules.  You can't put the genie back in the bottle...you can't un ring a bell ect.   I think limiting the number of screens, or limiting the total square inches of screens would be a good move.

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Trait Zaldain (Chris' wife) posed a new wrinkle or complication related to, or caused by FFS.... probably directly related to some of the Jonhnstons/Gee 'conversations'.  

  How do competing anglers negotiate water usage? That's been a regularly occurring conflict, but for better or worse, pros applied a bunch of unwritten rules, and mostly figured it out amongst themselves.   Now, even if two or more pros have tacitly agreed to share an area, FFS blows up that agreement.

If one angler follows a big fish around and into another angler's 'area', how do they manage the certain conflict?

 

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11 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

If one angler follows a big fish around and into another angler's 'area', how do they manage the certain conflict?

I don't think it even needs to be angler 'following' a fish....You could have two anglers sharing water that are a comfortable distance apart normal fishing wise, but still be able to beam the same fish if its within their FFS radius.  IE if we're 'sharing water' and I'm 150 feet away, that's a pretty comfortable distance, but our FFS ranges will overlap.  If I see you casting in a particular direction, I can beam over there and potentially see the fish you're targeting and try to cast to it also.  

 

I think in the real world it's kind of an edge case, but I bet we see something like that play out eventually.  I don't think that type of stuff could really be addressed, except the unwritten rule maybe widens the radius of your 'zone' so that FFS ranges don't overlap - which is pretty far apart.  

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19 hours ago, Texas Flood said:

This is one thing I think people who have never used FFS don’t quite understand. 
 

 

It’s on my boat and I can honestly say how surprised I was to see so many fish follow my bait just to turn around. It was actually infuriating. 
 

That's because the fish can feel the sonar. Raises their guard fin just a bit and they get cautious. Same fish probably could have been triggered by an aggressive presentation with no sonar or props in the water.

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I'm just getting back into this. Watched much of the last two Elites.

 

It's simply not fun to watch, but man the techie part of me is fascinated by the screens. At the same time watching a dude stare at screen casting to a blob on a screen just isn't that engaging.

 

Just my two cents.

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22 hours ago, Logan S said:

IE if we're 'sharing water' and I'm 150 feet away, that's a pretty comfortable distance, but our FFS ranges will overlap.  If I see you casting in a particular direction, I can beam over there and potentially see the fish you're targeting and try to cast to it also.  

 

When this happens, I want to be in the area too renting WWF folding metal chairs for the coming melee. 

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19 hours ago, Pumpkinseed Lizard said:

I'm just getting back into this. Watched much of the last two Elites.

 

It's simply not fun to watch, but man the techie part of me is fascinated by the screens. At the same time watching a dude stare at screen casting to a blob on a screen just isn't that engaging.

 

Just my two cents.

But what is really different than watching someone fish without FFS?

 

You watch the guy cast, work the bait, then either get a bite or not get a bite.

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11 minutes ago, Koz said:

But what is really different than watching someone fish without FFS?

 

You watch the guy cast, work the bait, then either get a bite or not get a bite.

 

I don't "watch" fishing, but I've been wondering about that myself.   I suppose some people may prefer watching someone casting like a mad man, beating the water to a froth, instead of making targeted casts.   

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@Koz I agree. I don’t really think there is much difference watching someone use FFS or not. Fishing really isn’t a spectator sport in my opinion. I like seeing big fish caught but, the cast retrieve repeat isn’t that interesting. Unless you see a big blow up on top water 

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The live tournament is different from the past where the tournaments were videotaped, edited then a 50 minute show aired on the Outdoor channel etc.. that was a better presentation in my opinion. 

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5 hours ago, Koz said:

But what is really different than watching someone fish without FFS?

 

You watch the guy cast, work the bait, then either get a bite or not get a bite.

 

5 hours ago, Woody B said:

 

I don't "watch" fishing, but I've been wondering about that myself.   I suppose some people may prefer watching someone casting like a mad man, beating the water to a froth, instead of making targeted casts.   

 

28 minutes ago, Susky River Rat said:

@Koz I agree. I don’t really think there is much difference watching someone use FFS or not. Fishing really isn’t a spectator sport in my opinion. I like seeing big fish caught but, the cast retrieve repeat isn’t that interesting. Unless you see a big blow up on top water 


Just another opinion, but the difference is the expectation. Pre FFS, nobody, including the angler, really knew if there was a fish where he was casting, or whether or where it might hit if there was one. It was the unknown that kept the viewer glued to each cast…the anticipation that each cast, or any cast, could be ‘the one’ that got bit, and you had no idea what size that fish might be if it did hit.

 

Now, FFS guys stand up front and don’t even bother to make a cast unless they spot a fish. Could be minutes or longer of nothing but zig zagging, and there’s no suspense when he finally does make a cast because he only made it because he saw a fish. Often, he’ll even tell you, “it’s not a big one - not the one I’m looking for” - before even hooking it. Then they narrate the cast; “he’s looking at it,” “here he comes,” and “oh, he turned away.” 
 

There’s very little suspense; no unknowns. I think it takes a lot of the excitement out of fishing for a lot of guys.

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On 8/22/2024 at 1:42 AM, ol'crickety said:

 

I'm guessing that drones with sonar are what comes next. An angler would launch a squadron of drones, which would drop transducers into the water across a body of water, and then AI would sort in a nanosecond which bass to target first, second, and so on. This technology already exists. It would be simply a matter of marrying a transducer to a drone, presided by A.I. Fishing, sound-wise, would be like sticking your head into a hornets' nest, with the angry whine of drones drowning out all the sounds of nature. The 300 hp engines would be the percussion for this heavy metal band. 

 

To make it truly competitive, anglers should also launch fighter drones, to seek and destroy competitors' drones. Boats could be equipped with electromagnetic pulse cannons to disable competitors' boats. Game on! At this point, I might actually watch a tourney. 

I would pay to watch this. 

 

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On 8/23/2024 at 2:18 PM, Koz said:

But what is really different than watching someone fish without FFS?

 

You watch the guy cast, work the bait, then either get a bite or not get a bite.

Lots I say.

 

I was watching a guy throw a topwater into weeds on TV today. And I was like please stick with that. Way more fun than watching a guy on a screen staring at another screen.

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On 8/23/2024 at 7:48 PM, Team9nine said:

Now, FFS guys stand up front and don’t even bother to make a cast unless they spot a fish. Could be minutes or longer of nothing but zig zagging

 

This part really boggles my mind.  In the past, wasting any time not fishing was foolish.  It was all about maximizing time with your lure in the water.  Which, for the most part, is still how I fish today.

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22 hours ago, gimruis said:

 

This part really boggles my mind.  In the past, wasting any time not fishing was foolish.  It was all about maximizing time with your lure in the water.  Which, for the most part, is still how I fish today.

If you had the choice between fishing two bays, one where you could see (not during the spawn) 5 or 6 big bass swimming around or one where you could not see any fish, where would you go first ?

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20 minutes ago, Reel said:

If you had the choice between fishing two bays, one where you could see (not during the spawn) 5 or 6 big bass swimming around or one where you could not see any fish, where would you go first ?

Probably to the same old spots I always do :hammerblows:

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1 hour ago, Reel said:

If you had the choice between fishing two bays, one where you could see (not during the spawn) 5 or 6 big bass swimming around or one where you could not see any fish, where would you go first ?

That’s the whole reason this is ruining pro fishing. I don’t know in advance, unless I’ve scouted this specific area in pre fishing. And even then, there’s still an unknown factor.

 

Its the element of unknown that’s been removed from all this. Plus hours of screen staring.

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On 8/23/2024 at 7:20 PM, Susky River Rat said:

@Koz I agree. I don’t really think there is much difference watching someone use FFS or not. Fishing really isn’t a spectator sport in my opinion. I like seeing big fish caught but, the cast retrieve repeat isn’t that interesting. Unless you see a big blow up on top water 

Now, I'm the opposite.  I'd rather watch the guy cast and retrieve an empty line than the current, cut to a hookset, reel in bass, hold bass up, and then cut to the next hookset.  To me, that might be the fun part of fishing, but if I'm watching other people fish, I like to see the behind the scenes stuff.  Like where they're casting and why, how fast their working their bait, how long of a pause.  Stuff like that.  And then, when they do catch something, it's a surprise to me, the viewer, as well as the angler on the screen. 

 

But we all like different things.  It reminds me a what my cousin, who's a huge soccer nut, once told me about why he likes watching soccer.  I said, the game is too slow, boring and they almost never score.  And he said, that to truly appreciate watching soccer, you have to appreciate a good pass.  And while I still don't like watching soccer, I understand what he means.  Because hockey is like soccer in that respect.  And I do like to watch hockey, from time to time. 

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Thanks for nothing, FFS advocates!!! I finally relented and mounted 37 FFS units on my canoe. It sunk and that's all on you FFS fans. 

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On 8/23/2024 at 3:18 PM, Koz said:

But what is really different than watching someone fish without FFS?

 

You watch the guy cast, work the bait, then either get a bite or not get a bite.

The difference in my opinion is watching 10 guys all throw the jighead minnow  vs. watching 10 guys all throwing different baits, some power fishing while others are finesse fishing.

 

FFS takes the variety away for most anglers and many of them have stated they feel like they “have to do it” to stay competitive and keep up. 

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@Bankc I totally get that. For me fishing is just boring to watch but love doing it.

 

now comparing hockey and soccer is an insult to hockey lol. Don’t get me wrong you have to be extremely fit and talented to play soccer but, yeah not even close.  That’s purely apples to oranges. 

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