BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted August 5 BassResource.com Administrator Share Posted August 5 "This win really got me thinking about the fact that we're being forced to use technology and the same basic technique to be competitive, and that concerns me a ton." https://www.bassresource.com/fishing/ffs-aluminum.html 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User AlabamaSpothunter Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 His win should be an absolute wake up call to folks who run the industry, but atlas they would have already woken up with the numerous other canary in the coalmine type events in the past. Pretty sure it was Pat Renwick's Stray Cast podcast that I just listened to him on......it's truly stunning that a guy can put a "tool" on his boat less than 4 months ago having never used it prior, and then goes out and wins a MLF Invitational against folks like Jacob Wheeler and Corey Johnston shaking a minnow on the scope. It took an angler about 4 months to master a technique that just won a major national Bass derby. Name me one other technique that doesn't require years and years to master good enough to win major national derbies with. He's textbook proof of how FFS is the trump card in Bass fishing, sure it's just another technique that requires a unique skill to master, but it trumps every other technique in the game right now, or requires those other techniques incorporate the tech into them to still play. He was the quintessential shallow water/sight fishing expert, had no desire to use FFS until it meant his very survival in the sport itself. If that's not insidious then I don't know what will convince folks the dark side of this tech. For the record, I'm not anti FFS....the genie is out of the bottle, however the sport needs guardrails for what's inevitably coming down the pipeline in terms of next generation tech. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted August 5 Global Moderator Share Posted August 5 @AlabamaSpothunter, doesn’t say much for the people that have been using the tech 5 years and can’t climb the standings…… 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tackleholic Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 FFS and other related new technology are forcing some of the "oldest and best" true anglers out of their livelyhood. Younger generations will always be moving up in the ranks of all sports, but the old veterans are losing their status to kids who have been playing video games since they could crawl. It's not fair. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 “I relied on it (FFS) purely because I’m tired of getting my butt whooped by it. So, I pinged a Berkley PowerBait MaxScent Jerk Shad on a medium light 7’2” Fenwick walleye rod to catch every fish. But I’m really worried that if all the retailers are selling is spinning tackle, light line, jig heads, and plastic minnows, the sales of all other tackle are going to struggle in a big way, and that doesn’t leave the fishing industry in a healthy place,” adds Carson from a realistic perspective. His concern for the tackle industry brought a tear to my eye. 🥲 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User gimruis Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 Its one thing to be using thousands and thousands of dollars worth of technology on a pro circuit or in a pro event where sponsors pay for most or all it. But its now filtered down into high school leagues, weekly derbies, and amateur tournaments. You could show up to a Tuesday night league with a dozen other boats and 10 of them are loaded up with 4 giant screens. And just wait until ice fishing season. There needs to be some boundaries set up. There's limitations on outboards, boat size, live bait, etc. But none on graphs or other technology? Its just an arms race to see who can outfit their boat (or ice castle) with the latest tech in many cases. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susky River Rat Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Many pros have been saying they need this to win and be competitive. Sure many people are using it and not winning. I’m sure they are catching many fish just not the right size. everyone here knows I’m against it. I am not going to start an argument about it. At some point there needs to be something done about it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Choporoz Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 9 hours ago, AlabamaSpothunter said: For the record, I'm not anti FFS....the genie is out of the bottle, however the sport needs guardrails for what's inevitably coming down the pipeline in terms of next generation tech. This has been my take all along, too. How about a Vision 110 with four micro HD cameras beaming picture back up through your line? Is a remote underwater drone with 4k live image out of the question? Sounds silly... but if you would prohibit those, you're going to have to pick a spot somewhere between there and today's FFS. Where's the tipping point? Those fuzzy hashed up images we see now are only going to get more and more refined. And probably with frequencies and wavelengths that don't spook fish. By the way those aluminum Vexus boats are sharp. I recall hearing they were going to build one, but had no idea they're this far along. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Brown Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 NC is working on laws. Crappie populations at Shearon Harris are 30% down in the past 2 years. While I'm not sold on it directly impacting bass populations - my big girls eat crappie and I don't like the food web getting torched with gasoline by idiots with tv screens on their boats. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Swamp Girl Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 @Choporoz is right. The tech race will make catching big bass ever easier. AI will be integrated more and more and "anglers" will merely follow the instructions to land giant bass. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king fisher Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 26 minutes ago, Pat Brown said: don't like the food web getting torched with gasoline by idiots with tv screens on their boats The crappie also eat a lot of smaller bait that the bass eat. Until the bass get to a certain size, crappie and bass are in direct competition for food. It may or may not help the bass if there are less crappie, only time will tell. Forage that doesn't directly compete with the bass for food, may have a bigger effect on bass populations, if there is a drastic decline in numbers. If you like to eat crappie, a 30% decline in population of crappie makes for many empty frying pans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Brown Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Just now, king fisher said: The crappie also eat a lot of smaller bait that the bass eat. Until the bass get to a certain size, crappie and bass are in direct competition for food. It may or may not help the bass if there are less crappie, only time will tell. Forage that doesn't directly compete with the bass for food, may have a bigger effect on bass populations, if there is a drastic decline in numbers. If you like to eat crappie, a 30% decline in population of crappie makes for many empty frying pans. Here in NC there's a LOT of 5+ lbers that live on them crappie. I'll tell you what. They're slower and stupider than shad or bluegill and have softer bones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Choporoz Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 8 minutes ago, Pat Brown said: They're slower and stupider than shad or bluegill and have softer bones. Lol... I'm always amazed watching gizzard shad... those guys are slick. I'm just glad I don't have to depend on them to survive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Brown Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 6 minutes ago, Choporoz said: Lol... I'm always amazed watching gizzard shad... those guys are slick. I'm just glad I don't have to depend on them to survive You'd be amazed the number of tiny ponds I fish that have loads of crappie and double-digit bass in them. I think in many ways they're a perfect food source for a largemouth bass. In places I fish the crappie rarely get bigger than a pound because the bass make sure that doesn't happen very often. 😂😂😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Team9nine Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 Since this is an FFS thread about concerns, I have to share this just released UA video on the topic. If you know Aaron and enjoy sarcasm, you’ll love this. Doesn’t change my overall opinion, but the mashup of old and new clips, combined with the “big names” we all know, was superbly done. Long, but worth it. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted August 5 Global Moderator Share Posted August 5 1 hour ago, king fisher said: The crappie also eat a lot of smaller bait that the bass eat. Until the bass get to a certain size, crappie and bass are in direct competition for food. It may or may not help the bass if there are less crappie, only time will tell. Forage that doesn't directly compete with the bass for food, may have a bigger effect on bass populations, if there is a drastic decline in numbers. If you like to eat crappie, a 30% decline in population of crappie makes for many empty frying pans. I ain’t buying it. I’ve known people my whole life that stand on the bank, catch their limit of crappie, take them home, then come back and catch another limit. Then do that a few more times 😂 and that’s just the people that would openly tell you about it crappie fishing really isn’t that hard for people that are good at it. I am not one of those people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User gimruis Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 11 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: crappie fishing really isn’t that hard for people that are good at it. I am not one of those people I'm also not one of those people. Quite honestly, the only reason I specifically target them is because bass, walleye, and muskie season is closed. The only continuously open season here is for panfish. The skill, knowledge, and experience (perhaps combined with new tech at times) comes into play when you're chasing giant slabs though. Any dope with a minnow and a cork can target them in shallow water before or during their spawn and catch 10 or 11 inchers from the bank. I see it every spring. They line up by the dozens and fill their buckets. I can do it too...only I use my boat and I release them. Take a look a some of @Team9nine slabs. Those are some real freaks. He posts bigger crappies than half the bass on this forum and he's specifically targeting them - not bycatch while you're bass fishing either. Those are not your run of the mill stringer crappies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gera Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Lol, Its finally hitting their wallets so that gets them "thinking about the fact" As more people get better with it we will see different winners that don't have the years of experience and it will be more obvious as the technology gets better and better. hopefully the money these companies pays them for endorsing FFS last them long enough. competitive fishing is only getting better to watch now that they just look at screens and use their sissy sticks. Now I must disclose that I have it, use it and love it. (both FFS and sissy sticks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susky River Rat Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, Gera said: hopefully the money these companies pays them for endorsing FFS last them long enough. Most guys are running without electronics deals. Most want mega 360 and garmin live scopes. That would void the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gera Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 18 minutes ago, Susky River Rat said: Most guys are running without electronics deals. Most want mega 360 and garmin live scopes. That would void the contract. Understood.. I really do not watch/follow any professional competitive fishing but I find all this conversation fascinating as I saw how this affected my own fishing club. I went from just being an entry fee guy to win some weekends... not by experience or technique but for having some additional disposable income. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User casts_by_fly Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 5 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: @AlabamaSpothunter, doesn’t say much for the people that have been using the tech 5 years and can’t climb the standings…… He still had to know where the fish would be and make a tournament plan to support that. On nearly 300k acres, you could do a lot of sweeping the trolling motor all day if that's your plan and not see anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted August 5 Global Moderator Share Posted August 5 1 hour ago, Team9nine said: Since this is an FFS thread about concerns, I have to share this just released UA video on the topic. If you know Aaron and enjoy sarcasm, you’ll love this. Doesn’t change my overall opinion, but the mashup of old and new clips, combined with the “big names” we all know, was superbly done. Long, but worth it. Thanks for that, absolutely hilarious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User AlabamaSpothunter Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 2 hours ago, king fisher said: The crappie also eat a lot of smaller bait that the bass eat. Until the bass get to a certain size, crappie and bass are in direct competition for food. It may or may not help the bass if there are less crappie, only time will tell. Forage that doesn't directly compete with the bass for food, may have a bigger effect on bass populations, if there is a drastic decline in numbers. If you like to eat crappie, a 30% decline in population of crappie makes for many empty frying pans. I believe both you and Pat are correct. Big Bass love to eat Crappie, however Crappie love to eat Threadfin, and Threadfin are the backbone of the early Bass's life down here in the South. Interesting enough, just last night I listened to two Texas Wildlife biologists, one of which is charge of 200+ reservoirs in Texas and just completed one of the best tracking studies ever done on Bass. He said anglers would have to harvest 80% of 10"+ Crappie in any given year to over harvest the species, and he said it's basically impossible for anglers to harvest that many 10"+ fish in a large reservoir. Small lakes, I'm sure all bets are off though. 5 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: @AlabamaSpothunter, doesn’t say much for the people that have been using the tech 5 years and can’t climb the standings…… The thing is that you can't discount individual human intelligence, or ability to learn even with this amazing game changing technology. I'm never going to make the claim that it doesn't require skill, or that some anglers seem to understand it while others it just impedes their time on the water. Imagine giving an angler a tool that allows them to crank as effectively as David Fritts, or flip as good as Dee Thomas in just 4 months time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Choporoz Posted August 5 Super User Share Posted August 5 35 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: Thanks for that, absolutely hilarious @Team9nine thanks. Very well done. Funny. But, I almost started to feel defensive towards Randy...lol. ...and Kevin...and Hank...and maybe even Chris... Aaron is man after my own heart - almost passive aggressive-like. Hilarious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeSmallie Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I watch a lot of fishing stuff on youtube. It's almost impossible to watch someone fish with FFS. It's like watching paint dry. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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