I watched a video on Carolina Rigs.  In the Video the angler said he uses three Palomar knots.  He tied a Palomar to a barrel swivel on the main line, then tied the leader to the barrel swivel with a Palomar, and then tied the hook on the leader with again with a Palomar.  My question is, how did he tie the leader to the swivel?  Wouldn't the main line already attached, prohibit the knot from being tied?  How would a person get the loop over the swivel with the main line attached?  I often use a Palomar, but have always had to use another knot when attaching leaders to a swivel already attached to the main line.

 

At first I wrote it off as a mistake on the video, but then I watched another instructional video on the C Rig. where the angler said the same thing.  Both videos, they tied the knots quickly and without a close up look.  I couldn't really tell what or how they were tying their knots.  Both videos they mentioned their preference for the Palomar on all three knots.  Both videos were from highly respected pros.  I do not in any way doubt their expertise.  How do they accomplish this?

 

Have I been missing something all these years? 

Tie the leader to the swivel before you attach the swivel to the main line.

Curious, what kind of line are you using?

 

Aren't palomar knots a no-no with flouro?

5 minutes ago, HawkeyeSmallie said:

Curious, what kind of line are you using?

 

Aren't palomar knots a no-no with flouro?

That’s the only kind of knot that one of my fishing buddies uses with fluorocarbon.  I prefer the Pitzen.

16 minutes ago, Chris at Tech said:

Tie the leader to the swivel before you attach the swivel to the main line.

That is what I thought, then a person would be able to pull the leader through the loop and make the knot, but both videos showed the angler tying the main line first, then the leader.  I watched them both over and over trying to see what they were doing. It really doesn't matter, I use many different knots, and get by fine without tying the leader on with a Palomar, just curious. 

12 minutes ago, HawkeyeSmallie said:

Curious, what kind of line are you using?

 

Aren't palomar knots a no-no with flouro?

I use mono for my C Rig leaders, but have found the Palomar to be a good knot with fluorocarbon.  I'm not a fan of the knot for braid, but I do know others that swear by it for braid.  

That is weird. Perhaps they are using another knot for the leader to swivel, and just saying is a palomar.

1 hour ago, king fisher said:

My question is, how did he tie the leader to the swivel?  Wouldn't the main line already attached, prohibit the knot from being tied?

It's possible.  You can pass the swivel, line,  rod, reel,  and everything through the loop.  😆

40 minutes ago, king fisher said:

I use mono for my C Rig leaders, but have found the Palomar to be a good knot with fluorocarbon.  I'm not a fan of the knot for braid, but I do know others that swear by it for braid.  

 

Funny how we all have our own preferences. 

 

The only time I use a palomar is for braid.

 

Flouro I use the double pitzen.

 

Mono is improved clinch.

 

I wish I could use the improved clinch for everything. First knot I taught myself as a kid. Simple, doesn't waste much line. Can do it with my eyes closed (well almost).

 

Seems like everything you see on the world wide web says you can't use knots for certain types of line. IDK, not an expert, I'm a simple man that just likes to catch fish. 

I prefer Gerald Swindels knot. Don’t know the actual name of that knot but it’s very good.simple , quick and strong. Double the line through the eye then 4 over hands around double line and then back through loop at eye.   Snip 3 tag ends and done

8 hours ago, flatcreek said:

I prefer Gerald Swindels knot. Don’t know the actual name of that knot but it’s very good.simple , quick and strong. Double the line through the eye then 4 over hands around double line and then back through loop at eye.   Snip 3 tag ends and done

That is a very good knot for braid. Can be a bit bulky with other lines, but is very strong with all line.

Don’t go full engineer and ponder on it too much, use a different knot for the one where you can’t pass back thru the loop. I’ve hauled in 30 lb stripers with a standard clinch knot on 12 lb mono 

1 hour ago, flatcreek said:

I prefer Gerald Swindels knot. Don’t know the actual name of that knot but it’s very good.simple , quick and strong. Double the line through the eye then 4 over hands around double line and then back through loop at eye.   Snip 3 tag ends and done

 

Sounds like the double pitzen.

2 hours ago, Tennessee Boy said:

It's possible.  You can pass the swivel, line,  rod, reel,  and everything through the loop.  😆

My first thought as well. Just a really big tag loop!

@king fisher

agree on a bit bulky, that’s why I only do 4 wraps. I’ve not had any issues with mono or flouro since I’ve been using it . 

Tie swivel to main line. Cut leader. Tie hook to leader. Tie leader to swivel. It’s not that cumbersome to pull line and hook through loop. But certainly other knots are more efficient for this 😀

3 hours ago, HawkeyeSmallie said:

 

Funny how we all have our own preferences. 

 

The only time I use a palomar is for braid.

 

Flouro I use the double pitzen.

 

Mono is improved clinch.

 

I wish I could use the improved clinch for everything. First knot I taught myself as a kid. Simple, doesn't waste much line. Can do it with my eyes closed (well almost).

 

Seems like everything you see on the world wide web says you can't use knots for certain types of line. IDK, not an expert, I'm a simple man that just likes to catch fish. 

You might consider the Trilene knot. It's very similar to the clinch, having an extra loop, but works with braid. I've not used it with fluoro, so I can't say it'll work there. But it's good for braid and mono and leaves very little tag end. Very quick to tie once you get it, just like the clinch and improved clinch.

2 hours ago, flatcreek said:

I prefer Gerald Swindels knot. Don’t know the actual name of that knot but it’s very good.simple , quick and strong. Double the line through the eye then 4 over hands around double line and then back through loop at eye.   Snip 3 tag ends and done

After you put the loop through at the eye you can then place that loop over the swivel or lure and you will only have one tag end.

2 minutes ago, king fisher said:

After you put the loop through at the eye you can then place that loop over the swivel or lure and you will only have one tag end.

Now you’ve got me day drinking 

2 hours ago, king fisher said:

That is a very good line for braid. Can be a bit bulky with other lines, but is very strong with all line.

 

3 minutes ago, king fisher said:

After you put the loop through at the eye you can then place that loop over the swivel or lure and you will only have one tag end.

 

4 minutes ago, king fisher said:

After you put the loop through at the eye you can then place that loop over the swivel or lure and you will only have one tag end.

The original braid knot in the 50’s was a double line clinch knot now called….take pick it has several names!

5 hours ago, GReb said:

Tie swivel to main line. Cut leader. Tie hook to leader. Tie leader to swivel. It’s not that cumbersome to pull line and hook through loop. But certainly other knots are more efficient for this 😀

I don’t see how that would work. The loop will still have to go over the swivel and can’t if swivel is attached to main line. Would work if leader is first attached to swivel and then leader attached to main line. 

23 minutes ago, king fisher said:

I don’t see how that would work. The loop will still have to go over the swivel and can’t if swivel is attached to main line. Would work if leader is firs attached to swivel and then leader attached to main line. 

My brain hurts but you may be right. I know it works because I’ve done it before lol

Maybe already answered but ... tie main line to swivel, cut off above at chosen leader length, tie main line to swivel, tie on hook/lure. A little early for drinking today eh? 

5 hours ago, Jig Man said:

That’s the only kind of knot that one of my fishing buddies uses with fluorocarbon.  I prefer the Pitzen.

I'm old school, improved clinch man. 

FM

I think I saw that same video before and was confused by the order he said he tied it. I think they edited the video or his voice over comment was just incorrect. Theres no way to tie a Palomar to the swivel after it's connected to the mainline without wasting a massive amount of leader line.

16 hours ago, HawkeyeSmallie said:

 

Sounds like the double pitzen.

Almost the same but he omits the last step of turning through the bottom loop and going back up and cinching through the top loop