Super User N Florida Mike Posted September 30 Super User Share Posted September 30 Got this one on a watermelon seed super fluke… 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishlegs Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 2 hours ago, Swamp Girl said: Why is this thread seeing fewer postings? I love looking at other anglers' fish, large and small, and hearing their tales of glory and woe. I love seeing what everyone catches too. Personally, I haven't posted because I just haven't had time to fish lately. Hopefully that'll change soon. In the meantime, you keep the pictures coming to get the rest of us by. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fried Lemons Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Got this one deadsticking a big gill bait in a windblown pocket. I picked up this technique last year specifically for pressured fish. I cast it out and let it sit without any input, letting any ambient wind or current provide all the action. After about 10 seconds this fish slurped it off the surface. This type of bite is always very subtle and the fish is usually lightly hooked. 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp_fowler Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Fished the municipal pond today. Caught a handful of dinks on the drop shot. While I was there I met a gentleman who told me about a strip pit near by. I decided to check it out. When I got here it wa shallow and weedy, just like I like it. I deployed the floating worm and caught a quick couple fish before I ran out of time. Bigger than the ones at the municipal park but not impressive by any means. Hoping I can explore this place more thoroughly soon. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted October 1 Global Moderator Share Posted October 1 3 hours ago, Fried Lemons said: Got this one deadsticking a big gill bait in a windblown pocket. I picked up this technique last year specifically for pressured fish. I cast it out and let it sit without any input, letting any ambient wind or current provide all the action. After about 10 seconds this fish slurped it off the surface. This type of bite is always very subtle and the fish is usually lightly hooked. 22” is a monster! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted October 1 Global Moderator Share Posted October 1 Buckle up for a long winded story, I was fishing Thursday-Sunday this past week. Saturday and Sunday was the combo 2 day championship for the Kansas Kayak Anglers and Kansas Bass Nation Kayak Series on Melvern Lake, the winner of the KBN qualifies for the Bassmaster Kayak Classic on Lake Fork in March. I prefished on Thursday in brutally calm conditions. I stayed in the dirtier water thinking it would help. Turned out, it didn't really matter where I went. I caught a few small largemouth, and then a carp on a dropshot right by the ramp, so I headed out and east towards some areas I thought would be good, they weren't. I found carp everywhere, and stumbled onto one nice smallmouth that was sitting in inches of water and smashed a 6th Sense Speed Glide. I fished from 11AM until 7PM and every bite was a surprise and very far between. Finally, at the end of the day I started getting some bites on a Zara Puppy in the slick calm conditions. I had one pretty decent smallmouth to the boat, when out of nowhere a 30ish pound blue catfish tried to eat him right next to the kayak! It was wild! He made it unscathed for a picture though. The next day, there was much more wind and the fish were a lot more cooperative. I launched near the dam and got bites immediately. The fish were so much healthier than they have been in past years with the explosion of the shad population. How do these stupid things catch up with a bait burning along above their heads? I picked fish up pretty steady but was wondering where the big ones where. Fishing a Duo Realis Rozante 77 when it stopped hard. The biggest smallmouth I've seen from the lake in quite a while cleared the water and after a hard fight, was in the net. Would have rather seen her in the tournament, but it was good to see it either way. The hardest fight of the day, on a Ned rig of course. And then there's this guy. I didn't feel great about my practice, but I'd found something at least. That night while I was rigging up my rods at the campsite and cooking my food, I had my catfish rods out and caught a couple nice blues, always a good time. Day 1 of the tournament, I opted to start right at the ramp, and so did 2 others including my buddy Deric. Him and I both started fast at the 7AM first cast, my first fish was an 18" smallmouth just 7 minutes into the morning and he was fighting one while I was unhooking mine. Just 6 minutes later, I added a 16" fish to my total off the same spot. Then it took over a hour to get my next bite, while I watched Deric catch his limit just 50 yards away. It was at least another solid fish at 16.25". Just a couple cast later, I added my first smaller fish of the morning, a 14.75" fish. I was really struggling fighting these fish. Not only were they fighting extremely hard, but I'd had a mishap in practice. At some point, I'd broken my AR switch off my Ned rig reel and could no longer backreel. I don't know how anyone feels like they have more control with the drag than they do backreeling, that was horrible having to use my drag. The big fish from the day before was calling for me. With 4 fish in my bag, I only needed one more bite, and a fish like that would really make for a huge day 1, but it was a gamble. I caught it off the dam, which is a vast riprap bank that takes a couple hours to cover, even fishing fast. After covering the entire thing, I had 3 dinks and 1 14.75" fish that filled out my limit to show for it. The wind was howling, I was eating wave after wave. I needed to cull the 2 small fish to stay in it. I put my nose into the waves and pounded back to the north, all the way back across the dam towards a shallow rockpile that I hoped was hidden enough that nobody was messing with. It took several cast and a lot of fighting snags, but I finally plucked another 16" fish from the rocks at almost 1PM. I had 2 hours left, and I still needed 1 more bite. I tried to go back to the ramp area, but it was packed with kayaks and boats and I couldn't get any bites on the few spots that were open, so I headed north along that shoreline. I was running out of time, running out of hope. My wife called, she tends to be somewhat of my good luck charm when she calls. The sunfish were mauling my Ned rig while I gave her a recap of my day. One was tappity tapping away at my bait, when suddenly, it just got heavy and started moving slowly. The hookset was solid and a good smallmouth was instantly airborne next to the kayak. A couple quick surges and it was in the net. A 2" cull with a 16.75" fish just after 2PM. I started getting bites after the call. Picking off small ones off each secondary point I'd hit. I fished quickly. I came to one point and got a weird bite but the line moved off. The hookset was extremely heavy but the fish was fast and not rolling. I had a monster smallmouth, I knew it, I'd caught them here before. I saw the bronze/brown in the water, then I saw the orange. It was a gut punch, but at least I already had a solid bag at that point. I didn't cull anymore that day, and ended in 2nd for KKA with 83", 2" out of first behind Deric. I was leading the KBN, 1.75" ahead of second place. Deric wasn't going to be able to fish the National tournament, so he didn't enter the KBN so he wouldn't take that spot from someone if he won. To be continued! 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishlegs Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Awesome! Congrats @Bluebasser86! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Swamp Girl Posted October 1 Super User Share Posted October 1 None of your reports read like they're long, Clayton. They're exciting! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp_fowler Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Day 2 exploring the strip pit pond. Started out throwing the Ned and the floating worm. They wanted the floating worm, and a caught a quick pair of fish hiding under the duck weed. I moved down the bank but was unable to get anymore bites on the end where the terrain was flat and level. I got back on the old dirt road that paralleled the bank and found a spot where I could make my way down to the water’s edge if I was careful. After getting settled in I noticed the water was a bit deeper here so I tied on my mayor and proceeded to catch another 4 fish all about this size. I had another fish hit my mayor but he was too big for my M/F and buried himself in a lay down and broke me off before I could horse him in. I still had my ML rod with Ned tied on so I started throwing that and my and hooked another big one on my first cast. Of course this one made a beeline for the lay down on my other side. I thought if I shook the branches it may spook it and cause it to run out on its own. To my surprise the lay down wasn’t very heavy (it was more like a big branch) and I was able to move it out of the way while simultaneously manipulating my rod to untangle my line and land it. After the protracted struggle I decided just to get the pic and throw it back. So I’m not sure about the weight. After that I added another smaller fish to the day’s tally and headed home since I was being dive bombed by a cloud of mosquitoes. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Bird Posted October 1 Super User Share Posted October 1 Got out this morning at daylight while still dealing with the remnants of the latest storm. Light drizzle, extremely foggy so boat never saw plane all day. We caught smallmouth, largemouth and a Walleye.......deep clear lake in WV. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herder Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Got out today as this was my only chance this week, baby sitting the next 2 days then I have to cook a bunch of stuff for my daughters 30th birthday on Saturday. Hit up a lake I haven't fished in a couple of months, it's got a max depth of 12'. Kind of a grind with more wind then predicted and managed 6 fish. 3 largemouth, 1 smallmouth, 1 crappie and 1 perch. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted October 2 Global Moderator Share Posted October 2 Championship weekend; part 2. Sunday, the weather was very similar to Saturday, except the wind was a little lighter. Crisp in the morning was going to give way to a warm and sunny afternoon with 10-15mph north winds. I started on my same ramp area with Deric, along with 2 new additions to the area that hadn't fished there the day before, one being the guy that was in second place behind me in KBN. It started a little slower than the previous day, taking me almost 15 minutes to catch my first one, but it was a solid 16 incher. A 15.50 inch fish would follow that one about 30 minutes later. The whole time, it seemed like Austin (the guy in 2nd), was catching fish about every 5 minutes and they all sounded big. He was less than 2" behind me, I was sure he was well ahead of me now and I was going to have to make up ground. The next bite from a keeper sized fish was about 10 minutes later and was one of the strangest sequences I've had with a fish. I missed it, got it to bite again (Ned rig), let it pull my rod down, stuck it, and it popped off. Sure I'd messed up my chance, I casted back once, then again, and it came back. This time, I let it swim with my bait for over 10 seconds before I set the hook. She surfaced and I scooped it with the net, and the hook was barely in the tip of her lip and just fell out in the net. Many of them bit very strange on Sunday. This one would go 17" I bounced around the area a bit, hitting the entire ramp and both loading docks many times before trying a nearby point leading into the ramp. I caught a short, then a walleye, and finally, a 16.50" smallmouth. It was almost 9AM and I only needed 1 more. I remembered how I use to get some on a weighted wacky rigged trick worm on this lake many years ago. Always used a pink or white worm, but all I had was watermelon/purple flake. I tried it anyways and after just a few cast, a 14.75" fish ate it to give me 5 fish just before 9:30. The ramp area was crowded, so I started fishing up the bank I'd caught my last culls the day before, and came up empty. I cut across and fished a shallow point that has produced many times before. My first cast, I got a light tap and my line started moving. I set into a heavy fish with my Ned and had it for a couple seconds before it jumped and tossed it back at me, probably a 17 to 18 inch fish that would have really helped. I thought I could surely get another bite on this nothing looking bank that nobody had been fishing, but I was wrong. An hour passed, then 2, and 3. I had nothing but drum and a couple tiny smallmouth to show for it. I was getting worried and a rockpile up the lake was calling for me. I kicked the motor on high and made a run. 30 minutes later, I covered a lot of water quickly to the rock pile I've taken my family to so many times because it's always loaded with dumb, hungry smallmouth, size is just always in question. This time, it had neither. I caught a single 6" smallmouth and nothing more. Now, I was 30 minutes from where I'd been catching my fish and I had just over 2 hours left. I talked to another competitor that had fished the same ramp area at the end of the day on Saturday and culled a couple times. He said he was thinking of heading there right after he fished another point just around from where I saw him. That made up my mind, I was heading straight back to my starting point. I was shocked to find only 1 other kayak fishing there when I got to it. He was working the area I had been in the morning, so I fished the side that Austin had fished in the morning. I methodically worked it over with a Ned, and finally got one to eat, another 16 inch fish to cull out the 14.75 incher. The guy fishing the other side decided to load up as he'd had a rough day, so I bounced around to where I had started. Not long after I got there, I hooked a good fish that jumped eyeball high and tossed my Ned, another cull gone. There is a large, covered dock in this cove, one of the only none marina docks on the lake, and there is a bunch of brush under it. I was easing my Ned through it, when what I thought was a limb, started to pull back. For some reason, my rod snapped perfectly in half on the hookset, so I got to fight the fish with half a rod and opted to swing it on it's arrival to the kayak. Another 16" to get rid of the 15.50". With just over 30 minutes left, I felt okay, but still was dreading how big the fish sounded from the morning that Austin was catching. I needed another cull. I hadn't gotten bit on a tube all weekend, but something told me to pick it up. I tossed it at the end of the loading dock and scooted it a few times before it disappeared. The fish was super dark when it surfaced, made it look much bigger than it was at first, but at 17.25", it was still my biggest of the day. With just 2 minutes left, I was fishing the walkway of the big covered dock with a Ned, ready to pack it in. That's when my line mushed up. The hookset was solid and a big head came out of the water, a largemouth! It looked huge, I hadn't seen a largemouth bigger than 12 inches all weekend and that big head made it look massive. My heart was pounding when I scooped it, knew I had to hurry to get my picture before I ran out of time, but the hook had gone through it's lip and was tangled in my net! I was frantically pulling on the net and the hook with my fingers and then pliers. It finally popped free and I quickly slapped it on the board, 15.75", no help. That big head and super thick body made it look so much bigger. I laughed at myself as my timer went off. I doubt I'd have gotten a picture in time if it was a cull. I loaded up and headed to the awards, nervous to find out how the others had done. The 2-4 or 5 inch lead I had over others seemed like a big gap at the start of the day, but I'd imagined situations all day during my huge dry spell of what if this person catches a few 18's or better, I really had my nerves on end. The called 3rd place, 161" to Daniel. 2nd went to my buddy Deric with 161.75". Then they finally got the first, 165.75", to me. I had it won when I caught my 5th keeper of the day. So now I'm qualified to fish the Bassmaster Kayak Classic in March on Lake Fork, a lake I've never even seen before. I had also entered the team event for the day, which my partner and I won, and it was announced that I won AOY, just barely squeaking it out in the final event of the year thanks to 2 second place finishes in row plus this win. It was another great season and I'm already looking forward to next year. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User MIbassyaker Posted October 2 Super User Share Posted October 2 25 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said: Championship weekend; part 2. Sunday, the weather was very similar to Saturday, except the wind was a little lighter. Crisp in the morning was going to give way to a warm and sunny afternoon with 10-15mph north winds. I started on my same ramp area with Deric, along with 2 new additions to the area that hadn't fished there the day before, one being the guy that was in second place behind me in KBN. It started a little slower than the previous day, taking me almost 15 minutes to catch my first one, but it was a solid 16 incher. A 15.50 inch fish would follow that one about 30 minutes later. The whole time, it seemed like Austin (the guy in 2nd), was catching fish about every 5 minutes and they all sounded big. He was less than 2" behind me, I was sure he was well ahead of me now and I was going to have to make up ground. The next bite from a keeper sized fish was about 10 minutes later and was one of the strangest sequences I've had with a fish. I missed it, got it to bite again (Ned rig), let it pull my rod down, stuck it, and it popped off. Sure I'd messed up my chance, I casted back once, then again, and it came back. This time, I let it swim with my bait for over 10 seconds before I set the hook. She surfaced and I scooped it with the net, and the hook was barely in the tip of her lip and just fell out in the net. Many of them bit very strange on Sunday. This one would go 17" I bounced around the area a bit, hitting the entire ramp and both loading docks many times before trying a nearby point leading into the ramp. I caught a short, then a walleye, and finally, a 16.50" smallmouth. It was almost 9AM and I only needed 1 more. I remembered how I use to get some on a weighted wacky rigged trick worm on this lake many years ago. Always used a pink or white worm, but all I had was watermelon/purple flake. I tried it anyways and after just a few cast, a 14.75" fish ate it to give me 5 fish just before 9:30. The ramp area was crowded, so I started fishing up the bank I'd caught my last culls the day before, and came up empty. I cut across and fished a shallow point that has produced many times before. My first cast, I got a light tap and my line started moving. I set into a heavy fish with my Ned and had it for a couple seconds before it jumped and tossed it back at me, probably a 17 to 18 inch fish that would have really helped. I thought I could surely get another bite on this nothing looking bank that nobody had been fishing, but I was wrong. An hour passed, then 2, and 3. I had nothing but drum and a couple tiny smallmouth to show for it. I was getting worried and a rockpile up the lake was calling for me. I kicked the motor on high and made a run. 30 minutes later, I covered a lot of water quickly to the rock pile I've taken my family to so many times because it's always loaded with dumb, hungry smallmouth, size is just always in question. This time, it had neither. I caught a single 6" smallmouth and nothing more. Now, I was 30 minutes from where I'd been catching my fish and I had just over 2 hours left. I talked to another competitor that had fished the same ramp area at the end of the day on Saturday and culled a couple times. He said he was thinking of heading there right after he fished another point just around from where I saw him. That made up my mind, I was heading straight back to my starting point. I was shocked to find only 1 other kayak fishing there when I got to it. He was working the area I had been in the morning, so I fished the side that Austin had fished in the morning. I methodically worked it over with a Ned, and finally got one to eat, another 16 inch fish to cull out the 14.75 incher. The guy fishing the other side decided to load up as he'd had a rough day, so I bounced around to where I had started. Not long after I got there, I hooked a good fish that jumped eyeball high and tossed my Ned, another cull gone. There is a large, covered dock in this cove, one of the only none marina docks on the lake, and there is a bunch of brush under it. I was easing my Ned through it, when what I thought was a limb, started to pull back. For some reason, my rod snapped perfectly in half on the hookset, so I got to fight the fish with half a rod and opted to swing it on it's arrival to the kayak. Another 16" to get rid of the 15.50". With just over 30 minutes left, I felt okay, but still was dreading how big the fish sounded from the morning that Austin was catching. I needed another cull. I hadn't gotten bit on a tube all weekend, but something told me to pick it up. I tossed it at the end of the loading dock and scooted it a few times before it disappeared. The fish was super dark when it surfaced, made it look much bigger than it was at first, but at 17.25", it was still my biggest of the day. With just 2 minutes left, I was fishing the walkway of the big covered dock with a Ned, ready to pack it in. That's when my line mushed up. The hookset was solid and a big head came out of the water, a largemouth! It looked huge, I hadn't seen a largemouth bigger than 12 inches all weekend and that big head made it look massive. My heart was pounding when I scooped it, knew I had to hurry to get my picture before I ran out of time, but the hook had gone through it's lip and was tangled in my net! I was frantically pulling on the net and the hook with my fingers and then pliers. It finally popped free and I quickly slapped it on the board, 15.75", no help. That big head and super thick body made it look so much bigger. I laughed at myself as my timer went off. I doubt I'd have gotten a picture in time if it was a cull. I loaded up and headed to the awards, nervous to find out how the others had done. The 2-4 or 5 inch lead I had over others seemed like a big gap at the start of the day, but I'd imagined situations all day during my huge dry spell of what if this person catches a few 18's or better, I really had my nerves on end. The called 3rd place, 161" to Daniel. 2nd went to my buddy Deric with 161.75". Then they finally got the first, 165.75", to me. I had it won when I caught my 5th keeper of the day. So now I'm qualified to fish the Bassmaster Kayak Classic in March on Lake Fork, a lake I've never even seen before. I had also entered the team event for the day, which my partner and I won, and it was announced that I won AOY, just barely squeaking it out in the final event of the year thanks to 2 second place finishes in row plus this win. It was another great season and I'm already looking forward to next year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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killobet Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Topwater blow-ups 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Swamp Girl Posted October 2 Super User Share Posted October 2 @killobet: Lots of muscle in that beauty's tail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User J._Bricker Posted October 2 Super User Share Posted October 2 Congratulations @Bluebasser86 on one helluva day and a great weekend! Thanks for sharing your experience with an enjoyable read. Winning your event, team derby, and qualifying for the Bassmaster Kayak Classic is quite an accomplishment for you and your family to enjoy. Again Clayton, congratulations on stacking some serious wood and good luck, er breaking a leg at the Kayak Classic! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp_fowler Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Caught 5 today, mostly this size. All of them with a white War Eagle double willow. Right in front of a beaver lodge at the strip pit. Also caught this PB Crappie in the same spot. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Swamp Girl Posted October 3 Super User Share Posted October 3 PB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Brown Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 I would say that the fall bite is just beginning to turn on here. Been doing well on shad jigs and topwater. Really hoping the water temp settles in the high 60s soon - that's when topwater really gets crazy. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thediscochef Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Foul hooked a good size channel cat that blew up on my walking bait. Made me think it was a big fish until about half way through the retrieve. Fun though. About seven missed blowups later I managed to stick this 3.5lb CHUNK of a fish and that was the end of the morning. So many missed strikes. Half my fault, half theirs. We'll hope for better tomorrow 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Swamp Girl Posted October 3 Super User Share Posted October 3 For a few weeks this fall, I was thundering, catching between 35 and 70 bass per session and landing one to three four-to-five-pounders per trip, but then I caught 25 the last time I fished and 20 this morning with no four-pounders. I started hot, landing 12 bass in the first hour, but only eight in the next three hours. Their size was so consistent, nearly all footbally 16.5 inchers, which weigh about 2.5 pounds. I caught a couple longer, but not as footbally: So, I caught 16 lmb and four smb. No pattern beyond the first hour, where I went old school and steered a Whopper Plopper through weed fields. After that, just a bass here and there, some shallow and some deep. My camera died for good, so once again, I had to use my cell phone, which takes great pics. See: I'm thinking I forgot how to catch bass. I should start all over again. I hope I can buy a Snoopy rod on Amazon. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thediscochef Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I missed three really nice fish. One of them hit it twice the exact same way, I hooked her the second time but she dove into the weeds and shook me. From what I could see that looked between 6 and 8lb. Without a doubt would have been one of the top few fish of the year so far. Always hurts. Didn't see the other one but the swells were big big. It happens. The part that I took note of though was that I didn't stop getting hit until noon. I would say that I landed 60-70% of what struck today which is a notable improvement from the last few outings. Everything i landed was about a pound, but eight of those makes for a fun morning. At one point i had a guide troll right through my casting zone and park directly on top of where I had been getting strikes. After about 10 minutes I got a bass right behind them. They stayed about 10 more before I caught another one and then they left shortly (but very loudly/angrily) after that. If given the choice, I would rather not have that experience. But if you roll up on me when I have a bite figured out, there's a good chance you're gonna get your feelings hurt by a man with a walking bait. I've been using a strike king dawg Jr exclusively the last week or so. Thing just gets bit and bit and bit. 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User gimruis Posted October 4 Super User Share Posted October 4 22 minutes ago, thediscochef said: At one point i had a guide troll right through my casting zone and park directly on top of where I had been getting strikes. That's low and disrespectful. I don't encounter hardly any bank anglers where I fish but I would never park my boat in front of a designated fishing pier like a jerk. Dude's got the whole lake to himself and does something like that because he sees you catch a fish there. Unreal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thediscochef Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 36 minutes ago, gimruis said: That's low and disrespectful. I don't encounter hardly any bank anglers where I fish but I would never park my boat in front of a designated fishing pier like a jerk. Dude's got the whole lake to himself and does something like that because he sees you catch a fish there. Unreal. It happens a lot at the state park. I've gotten more used to it but it's still a little shocking every time you make eye contact with someone and then they go and lower the trolling motor. If they were tournament angling I could maybe understand it a bit more, while still rude there is at the very least some money on the line and I kinda get it. Honestly I was catching bass all morning next to dogs playing in the water, a paddleboard, and a screaming match. The boat was probably the least disruptive thing that happened. There's a tournament out there tomorrow morning so I will be sleeping in, probably 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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