11 hours ago, NoFroFishing said:

I think he has valid concerns about the direction of the sport. 

When the most memorable moment from this tourney was Milliken eating quail eggs I think there is a problem. 

To be fair watching a 8-10lb fish barely miss a Hinkle Shad from a 4k Drone view was incredible.  

 

Milliken and a few others tried to deliver for the fans on the final day.   Walters mega bag came from spawners I think and yet almost no footage of it, and especially of the 9 he said broke him off.   

 

I agree though, strolling a minnow in a scope fest simply isn't fan friendly any way you slice it.   

 

 

7 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

I got a bunch of screenshots like this from Toledo

 

I’ll check in with ya next week at lake fork, my grass doesn’t need cut yet and neither does yours 😂 

Hey I said next couple tournaments...That gives me til about April to let it play out.  I'll probably have to cut my grass by then 😁

@Logan S, I’ve got zoysia, I can wait til may sometimes 😂 

1 hour ago, alonerankin2 said:

I was on live chat via YouTube watching the tournament live all 4 days.. I’ve never heard so much negativity about a tactic as I did concerning FFS. 70% seem to hate it..

 

Milliken had a ton of fanboi’s on too! 
It’s cool tech but it isn’t spectator friendly. 

Thats what is referred to as the vocal minority. The people that don’t care don’t join the chat 

1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

   

 

I agree though, strolling a minnow in a scope fest simply isn't fan friendly any way you slice it.   

 

 

I mean……..I watch some wild character on an LPshooter channel that does it…….. 😂 

1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

 Walters mega bag came from spawners I think and yet almost no footage of it, and especially of the 9 he said broke him off. 

 

Toledo Bend is in early pre-spawn. I talk to guys daily who live on the lake, fish almost every day & they are not seeing beds. If there's any beds they would be up north of Pendleton Bridge. Ain't seen or heard of any Pros that far north. 

1 hour ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

To be fair watching a 8-10lb fish barely miss a Hinkle Shad from a 4k Drone view was incredible.  

 

Milliken and a few others tried to deliver for the fans on the final day.   Walters mega bag came from spawners I think and yet almost no footage of it, and especially of the 9 he said broke him off.   

 

I agree though, strolling a minnow in a scope fest simply isn't fan friendly any way you slice it.   

 

 

You are right. Personally I don't care for FFS at all but I 100% tuned in to watch Milliken. Guys got charisma and the fact that he came out swinging is just awesome. 

10 minutes ago, Catt said:

 

Toledo Bend is in early pre-spawn. I talk to guys daily who live on the lake, fish almost every day & they are not seeing beds. If there's any beds they would be up north of Pendleton Bridge. Ain't seen or heard of any Pros that far north. 

Somebody must have forgot to tell the fish. Chris Johnston got a bed fish on camera and said on live “there’s bed everywhere”

Of course one Pro's word over rides everyone! And he certainly could not have been bull shitting!

Toledo Bend is on the board with ShareLunker #658! Join us in congratulating Tracy Adair of Hemphill for his 13.61pound catch of a lifetime. Done without forward facing sonar.

 

2 hours ago, Catt said:

Of course one Pro's word over rides everyone! And he certainly could not have been bull shitting!

I mean, he caught it on camera…….. I saw it 

 

maybe it was an AI robot fish 😂 

 

Kreiger was also bed fishin 

 

c’mon Tommy, it’s late Feb on a 180,000 acre lake in the southern US. Warm sunny days in the 70s, full moon. You calling someone who caught a bed fish on film a BSer? Completely throwing out the notion a fish would make a bed? Thought I knew you better than that, you’re the guy that always told us bass are doing things you wouldn’t expect. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3yr-BwLQTj/?igsh=OWp4YXgxd20xamJz
 

here’s some of the footage, BASS has even more 

4 hours ago, TnRiver46 said:

You calling someone who caught a bed fish on film a BSer?

 

No sir I'm calling BS that the beds are everywhere.

 

If there are beds everywhere why wasn’t more than 2 or 3 guys fishing them?

 

Bassmaster showed Robert Gee was fishing near Indian Mounds while at the same time Zona was saying he was on the Louisiana side around the corner from Cypress Bend.

 

Indian Mounds IS on the Texas side, so who was wrong, thier map imagery or Zona?

I say they allow jet boats with tunnels. Let the shallow guys do their thing and the scopers do theirs. 

6 hours ago, Catt said:

 

No sir I'm calling BS that the beds are everywhere.

 

If there are beds everywhere why wasn’t more than 2 or 3 guys fishing them?

 

Bassmaster showed Robert Gee was fishing near Indian Mounds while at the same time Zona was saying he was on the Louisiana side around the corner from Cypress Bend.

 

Indian Mounds IS on the Texas side, so who was wrong, thier map imagery or Zona?

There weren’t beds everywhere at all. Days 1 & 2 certainly proved that. 🤣

1 hour ago, Susky River Rat said:

I say they allow jet boats with tunnels. Let the shallow guys do their thing and the scopers do theirs. 

 

do they ban them now?  The only rule I was aware of was that you had to fish the same boat all year, i.e. couldn't swap between a 21' glass boat for the big water and drop to a small aluminum for skinny stuff.

"Jet drive engines, surface drive engines and tunnel hull boats are not allowed during both official practice and competition.   Any boat/hull designs other than standard mass-produced units are only allowed at the discretion of tournament officials."

From 2024 B.A.S.S Angler Participation Agreement 

@casts_by_fly see above lol

The jet boat rule is basically the ott defoe rule 😂. He won an open on Douglas running up the French broad and pigeon rivers, and of course everyone whined….. sound familiar ? 

@TnRiver46 I thought it was a custom built prop tunnel hull? Plus he just used it for that event I think not all year. 

1 hour ago, Susky River Rat said:

@TnRiver46 I thought it was a custom built prop tunnel hull? Plus he just used it for that event I think not all year. 

Seems like he won one out of that boat too, I may have mentioned the wrong tourney. He’s got a jet too. I think he used the tunnel hull/prop after the jet was outlawed.

After catching up here on the FFS debate I’m generally curious, do people find bank beating that much more entertaining from a coverage perspective? I mean yes the top water blows ups and jig hooksets are ten fold better, but the hours without a bite staring at all the shallow cover in between is the exact same as FFS to me.
 

Secondly you can most certainly take FFS principles from the anglers and learn them for your home lake. Gee had his screen blown up by the coverage team and he did a 10 minute breakdown on exactly what he was doing, the bait he was using and what he felt like the keys to the bite were while fishing. What more do you want from the guy?

@TnRiver46 I had thought jets were outlawed before that and then that’s when it became tunnel hulls as well. I could be wrong too. Somewhere between what we are talking s out is the actual truth and it really doesn’t matter lol. It’s just the irony of what’s deemed an unfair advantage or isn’t.

 

@ak6388I think it comes down to they are only casting at fish they see so some of the excitement of the catch is gone because they see it happening. Personally I think watching live fishing is boring. You will have lulls in the catching no different than any of us going out on our own.  a made for  TV fishing show is much better or a tournament that has been edited to show mostly the catches.  

2 hours ago, ak6388 said:

After catching up here on the FFS debate I’m generally curious, do people find bank beating that much more entertaining from a coverage perspective? I mean yes the top water blows ups and jig hooksets are ten fold better, but the hours without a bite staring at all the shallow cover in between is the exact same as FFS to me.
 

Secondly you can most certainly take FFS principles from the anglers and learn them for your home lake. Gee had his screen blown up by the coverage team and he did a 10 minute breakdown on exactly what he was doing, the bait he was using and what he felt like the keys to the bite were while fishing. What more do you want from the guy?

Excellent points. Last year they were smashing them off shore with topwater on Champlain but the whiners were out in full force about kyoya. Another funny one I’ve been hearing a lot recently is all you see is the anglers back. I don’t remember a cameraman ever standing in front of the fisherman, kind of hard to operate the trolling motor that way. Last year on Fork, Livesay won with a topwater throwing out of the back of the boat, but the cameraman was in the front so you could still only see his back

@TnRiver46 I don’t follow pro fishing die hard. I don’t make time to watch it nor do I any other pro sports. If it’s on and I’m not doing anything yeah I’ll watch it. I just won’t center my day around it. The pro ranks are generally so far removed from what the normal person does it’s insane. At the local level with 1200 impoundments and smaller FFS is making a big difference in how the fish act.

 

I don’t fish to put money in my pocket.i don’t fish to eat. I’ve never decided oh im going to watch people fish. Fishing is boring to watch. A heck of a lot of fun to do. So I really don’t get the FFS makes watching fishing boring aspect. 

On 2/23/2024 at 11:44 AM, Pat Brown said:

Oh come on guys lol

 

We all know he just got a BR account and saw what Alex was doing on the drift fry this past winter!

 

Maybe at least wait till the tournament is over for the guy to spill the juice 😂😂😂😂

 

 

I wasn't wrong.

In regards to this past Bassmaster Elite series tournament..