22 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

oh I forgot..your the expert

Expert? Never claimed I was...

 

But, I just went and grabbed a T-wing reel and put the line under the bar. 

 

You see that line angle? I don't even have this reel fully spooled, it would be worse if it was. 

 

Now the real issue...

 

 

You see how the line is going through the groove? That is with the thumb bar pressed down (casting). The entire purpose of the T-wing is that when casting the line is allowed to flow freely through the larger wing portion of the line guide. With the line under the bar, like I mentioned earlier, it pins the line into the groove and basically turns the T-wing into a normal line guide, defeating it's entire purpose. 

 

With the line OVER the bar...

See how the line has a straight, completely unhindered path from the spool through the T-wing  to the first guide and allowed to pass through the wing portion of the T-wing? That's the intent of the design when casting. When the T-wing flips back down when you reengage the spool to reel again...the line is forced into the smaller groove so that it can lay the line more evenly back onto the spool....like so:

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, evo2s197 said:

 

See above

 

And yes, you can tell a difference immediately I did it for fun because of this thread to see what I was missing out on, turns out I was missing out on quite a bit of reduced distance.

Consistent with my casting as well. 

6 minutes ago, MassYak85 said:

Expert? Never claimed I was...

 

But, I just went and grabbed a T-wing reel and put the line under the bar. 

 

You see that line angle? I don't even have this reel fully spooled, it would be worse if it was. 

 

Now the real issue...

 

 

You see how the line is going through the groove? That is with the thumb bar pressed down (casting). The entire purpose of the T-wing is that when casting the line is allowed to flow freely through the larger wing portion of the line guide. With the line under the bar, like I mentioned earlier, it pins the line into the groove and basically turns the T-wing into a normal line guide, defeating it's entire purpose. 

 

With the line OVER the bar...

See how the line has a straight, completely unhindered path from the spool through the T-wing  to the first guide and allowed to pass through the wing portion of the T-wing? That's the intent of the design when casting. When the T-wing flips back down when you reengage the spool to reel again...the line is forced into the smaller groove so that it can lay the line more evenly back onto the spool....like so:

 

 

 

Line goes over. 

Just walked down to the dock to look in the boat... Yep your right.. Was fun though

Just use a spinning reel and you won’t have to agonize over it...?

18 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

Just walked down to the dock to look in the boat... Yep your right.. Was fun though

Were all guilty of it, no harm no foul

20 minutes ago, rangerjockey said:

Just walked down to the dock to look in the boat... Yep your right.. Was fun though

Haha it's all good man.

On 4/20/2020 at 8:24 PM, Midwest Big Bass said:

I’m supposed to feed my line OVER the stabilizer bar on my Tat SV TW... right??

 

I was so embarrassed to ask this. I feel a little better now knowing that there is more confusion out there. I’m sold though. It has to be fed over. I wish my Steez CT SV picture was a little better. That reel emphasizes the importance of going over. Looking at a Tatula SV TWS on its own, I can see  where there would be confusion. 

I'm sure that's a great reel, but I think I'll stick with Shimano ?

And that's the pic that threw me, it looks to me like the line dog legs down to the Twing, In Mass Yaks pic it's obvious he's right.. I wish it would be the last time I was wrong but it's not gonna happen... Nothing personal

5 minutes ago, rtwvumtneer6 said:

I'm sure that's a great reel, but I think I'll stick with Shimano ?

Lol here we go!

5 pages before the lock. Taking bets, who's got the over/under?

Instant classic! Make it a sticky.

15 minutes ago, evo2s197 said:

Lol here we go!

I didn't want to be that guy, but someone was bound to do it.  All in good fun!

Under for sure. 

 

No j/k I went out in the garage and looked at the last and only Daiwa T-wing reel I own and sure enough, over. 

All of the extra casting distance of the t wing design gets eaten up by the line scraping that bar. Dumb design if you ask me....

1 hour ago, detroit1 said:

All of the extra casting distance of the t wing design gets eaten up by the line scraping that bar. Dumb design if you ask me....

Don't buy one

I won't.

son of a gun, now i have to check all of my tatula's when i get home

3 hours ago, detroit1 said:

All of the extra casting distance of the t wing design gets eaten up by the line scraping that bar

Silliness. Is the line also "scraping" the rod's guides?

What a silly thread. It goes over on Mondays, Tuesday's and Fridays only but if it's raining or below 63 degrees then it certainly goes under. It's all in the owners manual. 

44 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Silliness. Is the line also "scraping" the rod's guides?

Definitely. That's why I use rods without guides. You can save a lot of money by just using sticks you find on the bank.

I checked my Daiwas with T-Wings and they are all spooled OVER.

Why doesn't one of the Diawa fanboys call them and ask ?As  Lews guy I say over.