Ok so I know this is my fault/bad technique but several times I've gone to cast and either I bird nest or something goes wrong and the line stops short....and on multiple occasions the line stopped and the lure keeps going....aka gone. This was usually with heavy 1oz lures. Anyways 2 question.....is 14lb line too small for 1oz lures? Or is it a knot issue.....it seems like the knot is coming untied as opposed to it breaking as when I feel it in the terminal line is curled like it was the knot. I usually use a trilene knot but it's happened with Palomar....is there a better knot? Any advice on this? Has this happened to you?

7 minutes ago, Crimson0087 said:

.....is 14lb line too small for 1oz lures? 

IMHO, yes

google youtube palomar knots and watch untill you find a good video that shows and explains how to and then practice. Also look back in the history on this website and you will find tips and vids to help out.

What 14# test line?

Tom

14 fluorocarbon 

I throw 1oz jigs on 12# fluorocarbon with no issues.   Learn the Pitzen knot.  It works for all types and sizes of line.

The issue is backlash.  

The rod should be doing so much work casting 1 oz, that you should make a smooth cast.  

With heavy weights, mid-cast backlash should be nonexistent, and the backlash concern is start-up jerk.  The 1 oz is going to jerk the spool start-up pretty hard.  This is where a good centrifugal brake (or MagForce) helps.  You should not be adding jerk to the rod.  

As @bulldog1935 said,... The issue is the backlash. I just looked up a kinetic energy calculator and a 1oz lure moving at 150 ft/sec equates to about 21lbs of kinetic energy. Jumping that speed up to 200ft/sec bumps that energy to about 38lbs.

 

If you zing that bait out there and a backlash makes the line come to an immediate stop, that 14lb line, or the knot, isn't likely to stop that 1oz bait.

Be careful when tying a Palomar knot with fluorocarbon line be careful not to cross the line as it will tend to cut into itself. 

You just described the reason there is a way too expensive 2 OZ lure hanging 100 feet up in an un climbable tree on my local lake.  I wont bother describing how I know the tree is un climbable.

Three things:

stop backlashing

try mono in a heavier size

work on your knot tying

Fluoro + palomar = frustration for me.

 

Its surely my fault but I'm not interested in fixing it.

A uni works great with fluoro and is easier for some to tie. 

10# test and higher I use a Uni Knot. Haven't had a lure fly off since doing so. Lighter line I use a Trilene Knot, or very light line a Clinch Knot. I use mono so my knots hold pretty good. For the size lure you mentioned I'd go with 15# test line, certainly not less than 12# line.

Double San Diego Jam knot is better than anything else I've tried on shock/impact strength. 

And it's really obvious when it's tied corrrectly.

51 minutes ago, txchaser said:

Double San Diego Jam knot is better than anything else I've tried on shock/impact strength. 

And it's really obvious when it's tied corrrectly.

I've been very happy with the regular san diego jam.  Just curious if that knot was in your repertoire before you moved to the double, and if so, what prompted the switch?

 

scott

Agreed, been using the regular SDJ since WRB talked some sense into me for everything but braid. Havent had a breakoff at a knot yet after about 2 years now. 

 

Your issue may be knot choice (id change it to an SDJ personally) but its definitely from trying to wing a 1oz lure at mach jesus. 

Backlash is the problem.  If your line is dug into the spool and you go to cast and it suddenly stops, midflight, there's always a good chance you'll break your line and lose your lure.  I've done that many times.  I've done that many times with heavy braid.  A lure going from 60mph to zero instantly is going to put the line under a tremendous amount of force.  And usually when you cast, the rod is more or less pointed at the lure, so you won't get much benefit from rod flex to cushion the force.  

On 3/11/2024 at 9:47 PM, softwateronly said:

I've been very happy with the regular san diego jam.  Just curious if that knot was in your repertoire before you moved to the double, and if so, what prompted the switch?

 

scott

I decided to shock test them against each other, because I'm curious. 

 

On a 3/0 hook (probably gammy but I don't recall) I would tie SDJ on one end of the line, and double SDJ on the other, with another 3/0 hook on the other end. Hooked one side on a door handle and the other side on a dowel. Yank hard enough to break the line, observe where it broke. Swap the sides of which one is closer to the door or my hand (just in case that was affecting anything). Repeated at least three times. 

 

Double SDJ always won - I think it's more resilient to that specific time of load, an impact load. That's where the breakoff risk seems to be anyway - not the slow pull but the shock of a hookset. 

 

Another vote for the san diego jam knot with flouro line here. I have a really hard hook set and tend to set on a stump from time to time, rarely if ever do i have a breakage issue. My fishing partner loves the knot that Gerald Swindle talks about, not sure there is an official name for it, but it works great as well.