Daiwa is simply smoother than Shimano now

[casts_by_fly]

20 hours ago, Craig P said:

Coke / Pepsi, Bud / Miller, Ford / Chevy. You get the picture

 

I will add, when I was looking for a BFS reel…..after being a long time Shimano user, I thought I wanted the Daiwa but when feeling it in hand vs the Curado BFS, the Curado just felt like the better machine. I even handed them both to my wife….who knows nothing about fishing and I asked her to reel and press the button and tell me which one felt like the better machine, she chose the Curado.  So did the guy selling me the reel even when the Curado was cheaper.

 

I refer you back to my first sentence.

 

whoa, whoa, whoa.  I have to strongly disagree here.

 

I have strong preferences between Coke / Pepsi, Bud / Miller, Ford / Chevy.  The short answer is "none of the above" across the board for various reasons!  Now between shimano and daiwa, "either/or" is much more approriate.

[Tackleholic]

6 hours ago, king fisher said:

     Relax.  My post was not intended to offend anyone.  It wasn't even intended to state an opinion, about either manufacturer, or mine or any one else's personal opinion.  My post was a failed attempt at humor.  I was insinuating that I am a Diawa fan, but if someone would be kind enough to send me a free Shimano reel, I would instantly turn in to a Shimano fan.  I obviously didn't think someone would send me a free reel, and because I am an amateur angler, I would not ever expect to get a sponsorship from Shimano.  It was meant to be a joke.  I thought it was funny, but as all  jokes, I should have anticipated the fact that others may not appreciate my sense of humor.  I believe both manufactures make excellent reels and encourage discussions about the pluses and minuses of both.  

Anyone who criticized you has a backlash in his sense of humor.

[NorthernBasser]

I truly hope, for the sake of humanity, that nobody is taking anything in this thread personally. We're talking about friggin' fishing reels, people. Not moms, not wives. FISHING REELS. 

[Tackleholic]

30 minutes ago, casts_by_fly said:

 

whoa, whoa, whoa.  I have to strongly disagree here.

 

I have strong preferences between Coke / Pepsi, Bud / Miller, Ford / Chevy.  The short answer is "none of the above" across the board for various reasons!  Now between shimano and daiwa, "either/or" is much more approriate.

I just came off the lake from my first outing with the new Daiwa BFS PX series reel and matching ultralight rod.  All my baitcast reels are Daiwa, and this was at least as smooth as any I own.  Spooled with Tatsu I give it 5 stars.

[MediumMouthBass]

3 hours ago, NorthernBasser said:

I truly hope, for the sake of humanity, that nobody is taking anything in this thread personally. We're talking about friggin' fishing reels, people. Not moms, not wives. FISHING REELS. 

(Hopefully this joke will be understood) If youve been affected in anyway by this post please call our law firm at 1-800-ARE-U-NUTS today.

There are talks about potential compensation from the emotional stress of another Daiwa vs Shimano post. And we are working around the clock to get you the settlement you deserve!

 

If you or a loved one have been victim to this almost lifelong debate please see professional help.

 

I never really understood the problem people had with this topic, i own several rods and reels from both companies. Both make good stuff, at various price points. I really dont prefer one to the other. They both catch fish, and let me enjoy time on the water, and isnt that what fishing is all about?

Edited October 31, 2024 by MediumMouthBass

[NorthernBasser]

25 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

(Hopefully this joke will be understood) If youve been affected in anyway by this post please call our law firm at 1-800-ARE-U-NUTS today.

There are talks about potential compensation from the emotional stress of another Daiwa vs Shimano post. And we are working around the clock to get you the settlement you deserve!

 

If you or a loved one have been victim to this almost lifelong debate please see professional help.

 

 

[F14A-B]

1 hour ago, Tackleholic said:

Anyone who criticized you has a backlash in his sense of humor.

If he only had used a Shimano DC.. 😝

55 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

(Hopefully this joke will be understood) If youve been affected in anyway by this post please call our law firm at 1-800-ARE-U-NUTS today.

There are talks about potential compensation from the emotional stress of another Daiwa vs Shimano post. And we are working around the clock to get you the settlement you deserve!

 

If you or a loved one have been victim to this almost lifelong debate please see professional help.

 

I never really understood the problem people had with this topic, i own several rods and reels from both companies. Both make good stuff, at various price points. I really dont prefer one to the other. They both catch fish, and let me enjoy time on the water, and isnt that what fishing is all about?

I’m pretty sure I heard this commercial on my FM radio 🤣🤣🤣

1 hour ago, NorthernBasser said:

I truly hope, for the sake of humanity, that nobody is taking anything in this thread personally. We're talking about friggin' fishing reels, people. Not moms, not wives. FISHING REELS. 

Exactly right, it’s not a hill to die on that’s for sure. 🎃

[ABU is overpriced]

17 hours ago, Bigbox99 said:

The hyper drive gears daiwas are smoother than anything Shimano has but that doesn't mean that they are better reels because of this.  And yes they are smoother.  We had this autistic thread on TT where a Shimano guy went to quantify exactly how smooth his new Daiwa Zillions were compared to his Metaniums and took readings with an accelerometer strapped to the reels (iphone) and the perceived increase in smoothness of the Zillion registered as less noise on the graph.   No surprise to me as someone who owns both. My Shimanos are smooth and so are my non hyper drive Daiwas.  My hyper drive Daiwas are on another level smooth.  Smooth like turning the handle with the drag backed off smooth but the drag is locked and you are winding with a thumb driven hard onto the spool to press the pinion into the main gear to get as much gear mesh as possible but it just can't be felt.  Otherworldly smooth.  It makes you think there is something wrong with your drag kind of smooth.  The smoothness is great but it's the more well rounded braking profile that makes me prefer Daiwas over the centrifugal Shimanos since I do a lot of close quarters skipping mixed with distance casting with unconditioned stiff plastic lines with no spool tension.  Daiwas just work better for me here with smoothness being a niceness thing but not a performance thing.

Well, to me, smoother and longer lasting gear sets is pretty much a priority, especially at the price they're selling these, it ain't no more $20 for a gear set like in the mid 2000 models. When it comes to weight, comfort, etc, they're so samey that there isn't enough of a difference. But yes, different brakes and swappable spools with Daiwa is also a big difference.

[Dan N]

I’m still very happy with some my lower end reels, I’ve got pretty much every brand, and 1 my tatula has sat on the bench the entire season, while I use 100$ lews reels . I don’t know how to compare “smooth” but I have no complaints with Lews .

[MediumMouthBass]

6 hours ago, Dan N said:

I’m still very happy with some my lower end reels, I’ve got pretty much every brand, and 1 my tatula has sat on the bench the entire season, while I use 100$ lews reels . I don’t know how to compare “smooth” but I have no complaints with Lews .

Lews is often overlooked because its not thought of as a "premium Japanese brand", i will admit even i was apart of that. But once i got a few of their reels i was very impressed. Smooth reels are overrated, i actually cant stand my Zillion, for several reasons. One of which is its too smooth, feels odd. And smooth reels to me feel weak, I love my SLX MGL (more than any reel i own) but i can never trust it as much as my Fuego CT or LFS. They feel not good, kind of sandpapery. But when im reeling them in i feel like i can pull a shark to the bank.

[ABU is overpriced]

1 hour ago, MediumMouthBass said:

Lews is often overlooked because its not thought of as a "premium Japanese brand", i will admit even i was apart of that. But once i got a few of their reels i was very impressed. Smooth reels are overrated, i actually cant stand my Zillion, for several reasons. One of which is its too smooth, feels odd. And smooth reels to me feel weak, I love my SLX MGL (more than any reel i own) but i can never trust it as much as my Fuego CT or LFS. They feel not good, kind of sandpapery. But when im reeling them in i feel like i can pull a shark to the bank.

I can't even tell if you're being serious with this kind of comments. Complete insanity to say the least.

As for the Lews comment. If Daiwa and Shimano exists, and their reels can be had for the same price or cheaper (when purchased from Japan), what is the point of a Lews reel? What was the last decade this company has even innovated? As i see it, Lews existance serves only one purpose, and that's selling sub $150 fishing gear to normies/kids/teenagers. In other words, its a brand that survives on selling fishing rods and reels to somebody that doesn't know any better, or doesn't care what they're using. This is Lews for you, and this is why those who care about quality are mostly ignoring the brand, and this will never change in the future. All in all, its not an overlooked brand, but a pointless brand to most enthusiats.

[MediumMouthBass]

3 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

I can't even tell if you're being serious with this kind of comments. Complete insanity to say the least.

As for the Lews comment. If Daiwa and Shimano exists, and their reels can be had for the same price or cheaper (when purchased from Japan), what is the point of a Lews reel? What was the last decade this company has even innovated? As i see it, Lews existance serves only one purpose, and that's selling sub $150 fishing gear to normies/kids/teenagers. In other words, its a brand that survives on selling fishing rods and reels to somebody that doesn't know any better, or doesn't care what they're using. This is Lews for you, and this is why those who care about quality are mostly ignoring the brand, and this will never change in the future. All in all, its not an overlooked brand, but a pointless brand to most enthusiats.

Seek professional help man, i will pray for you.

[NorthernBasser]

40 minutes ago, ABU is overpriced said:

I can't even tell if you're being serious with this kind of comments. Complete insanity to say the least.

As for the Lews comment. If Daiwa and Shimano exists, and their reels can be had for the same price or cheaper (when purchased from Japan), what is the point of a Lews reel? What was the last decade this company has even innovated? As i see it, Lews existance serves only one purpose, and that's selling sub $150 fishing gear to normies/kids/teenagers. In other words, its a brand that survives on selling fishing rods and reels to somebody that doesn't know any better, or doesn't care what they're using. This is Lews for you, and this is why those who care about quality are mostly ignoring the brand, and this will never change in the future. All in all, its not an overlooked brand, but a pointless brand to most enthusiats.

 

🤣 😅 What???!

 

[ABU is overpriced]

1 minute ago, NorthernBasser said:

 

🤣 😅 What???!

 

You have a choice of an SLX for $100 from Japan or some $140 Lews. What are you buying🤢

23 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

Seek professional help man, i will pray for you.

Coming from someone who feels that smoothness leads to weakness. I will seek help, but you're already in line, so right after you.

[MediumMouthBass]

3 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

You have a choice of an SLX for $100 from Japan or some $140 Lews. What are you buying🤢

Coming from someone who feels that smoothness leads to weakness. I will seek help, but you're already in line, so right after you.

No reason to be so toxic on a fishing forum man, you seem to be a regular in the stir the pot category but still. 

 

If you cant take others opinions then dont make a post where they can voice them.

 

And i go by real prices not MSRP, i got my BB1 Pro, LFS Superduty for $100 each, LFS $50...

I got my first SLX for $40, and 2nd for $60. The SLX and LFS feel the same, but ill give the win to Lews because of the braking dial. If you or anyone paid that much for a SLX then im sorry.

No reel is worth MSRP, not Lews, not Abu, and certainly not Daiwa or Shimano.

 

And Lews makes great reels, like the LFS. Its nothing fancy but a work horse.

The BB1 Pro is one of my favorite reels, aside from the SLX MGL and Tatula CT.

Its the only reel ive found to cast farther than a reel with a T wing, ive yet to try a Tatula Elite though...

 

Oh and your elitist opinion on that $100 SLX from Japan shows how little you know about them, the $100 Shimanos are made in China or some other country..... Not Japan.

 

And yes Lews makes some really stupid, practically worthless rods and reels. That are marketed toward beginners or youtubers. But when you take those "Mach" prodcuts out of the equation and factor in the LFS, Superduty LFS, Superduty 300, BB1 Pro. They might not be neck and neck with Dawia and Shimano, but they are close. And not everyone wants the same generic reel that everyone has.

Some people might like the way Lews fits their hand, and might be uncomfortable with the other brands. So you call them stupid for buying a reel they like because you dont?

And not everyone has tons of money, you are going to put Lews down and the people who like them because they make affordable products?

 

And lets talk about KVD, you know the guy whose name is on all those baits and lures in the tackle shops? If Lews is so horrible why would one of the greatest use them? I usually dont like taking sides about brands, i think all make something for someone. Abu and Lews are great for people on a budget, and truth is at one point or another thats most of us bass fishermen are fishing on a budget, the guys with Zillions and endless amounts of money are on here, not at your local lake.... Are Daiwa and Shimano more premium? Sure but they arent going to make you catch any more bass, not going to turn you into a pro.....

 

 

Oh and yes i hate reels that feel to smooth, it takes the feel out of fishing. Some love smooth reels i dont. I like to feel every part, the rod, the reel, the line, the lure. Take that feeling out and it just feels unnatural. Have a nice day

Edited November 2, 2024 by MediumMouthBass

[Rockhopper]

I am with you @MediumMouthBass.  One of my favorite reels I own is an $80 (new in store discount) shimano citica i.  Yes it is a cheaper version of the curado i.  But it is not nearly that smooth, it feels loose and clunky in the handle and retrieve, especially after a few seasons on it.  It is a work horse and I love every second of it.  It is like a 50 year old truck.  Clunky.  But a work horse.

 

@ABU is overpriced You seriously need to chill out, bro.  It is a fishing forum.  It is fun.  And everyone is entitled to like what they like.  Stop taking **** so personal.

[Motoboss]

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[Junger]

It's not even January yet...there's still softwater out there....get out and fish!

[Rockhopper]

I have a pretty new toyota tundra. But I chose to daily drive a 1971 gmc 4x4 that I have only $900 into because its fun and I enjoy it. I must be insane too. 

[NorthernBasser]

32 minutes ago, MediumMouthBass said:

And lets talk about KVD, you know the guy whose name is on all those baits and lures in the tackle shops? If Lews is so horrible why would one of the greatest use them?

 

Good post. But regarding this, it's mainly about money. Same reason Wheeler uses Duckett rods and Roland Martin uses Favorite. 

20 minutes ago, Rockhopper said:

I have a pretty new toyota tundra. But I chose to daily drive a 1971 gmc 4x4 that I have only $900 into because its fun and I enjoy it. I must be insane too. 

Nothing beats an old pickup truck. Unless it's a Ford (I'M KIDDING).

[Backroad Angler]

I’ve been using Shimano reels ever since I got into fishing. Never tried Daiwa, haven’t had a reason to change.

preference at the end of the day, all brands have their pros and cons. 

[JustJames]

Totally agree, Daiwa is smoother than Shimano on every price point, doesn’t even have to be new cut Digigear. My smoothest reel would be Daiwa alphas SV105 the zillion is super smooth and very quiet when cast.

We are talking smoothness of the reel not about one is better than another. 

[F14A-B]

12 hours ago, ABU is overpriced said:

I can't even tell if you're being serious with this kind of comments. Complete insanity to say the least.

As for the Lews comment. If Daiwa and Shimano exists, and their reels can be had for the same price or cheaper (when purchased from Japan), what is the point of a Lews reel? What was the last decade this company has even innovated? As i see it, Lews existance serves only one purpose, and that's selling sub $150 fishing gear to normies/kids/teenagers. In other words, its a brand that survives on selling fishing rods and reels to somebody that doesn't know any better, or doesn't care what they're using. This is Lews for you, and this is why those who care about quality are mostly ignoring the brand, and this will never change in the future. All in all, its not an overlooked brand, but a pointless brand to most enthusiats.

Totally agree with you. Not to insult anyone, we all have different budgets to work with, but I’ve never heard anyone ever complain about a reel that was too smooth (Zillion) 

 

Truthfully I have more respect for South Koreas rod manufacturing than their reels. 

10 hours ago, NorthernBasser said:

 

Good post. But regarding this, it's mainly about money. Same reason Wheeler uses Duckett rods and Roland Martin uses Favorite. 

Nothing beats an old pickup truck. Unless it's a Ford (I'M KIDDING).

Yep & KVD had a unlimited supply of both rods and reels.. 

[F14A-B]

3 hours ago, JustJames said:

Totally agree, Daiwa is smoother than Shimano on every price point, doesn’t even have to be new cut Digigear. My smoothest reel would be Daiwa alphas SV105 the zillion is super smooth and very quiet when cast.

We are talking smoothness of the reel not about one is better than another. 

which Shimano reels do you have? I couldn’t help but notice you left the exact models of Shimano reels out while explicitly naming your Daiwa reels. 

[Bigbox99]

An interesting read on the subject 

 

http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=85519