I've never tried it as I use Sufix Siege or Elite mono on both my spinning and baitcasting rigs. 

 

But is it true that it is very stiff on spinning gear and doesn't hold a palomar know well? 

6 minutes ago, Hulkster said:

I've never tried it as I use Sufix Siege or Elite mono on both my spinning and baitcasting rigs. 

 

But is it true that it is very stiff on spinning gear and doesn't hold a palomar know well? 

It's stiff on every reel and ties knots just fine.   You just have to cut and re-tie more frequently than mono or you will suffer from "mysterious break offs" that plague fluoro users that don't.  

To answer your question, flourocarbon line is not worth the headache or the money for me. I went back to all monofilament, all the time.

8 hours ago, Joedodge said:

Needing line treatment mostly

I have a bottle.  I have owned it 8 years.  it is right next to the lubrication bottle I bought for my kayak pedal drive.  both are virtually unused.   I did spray it on my spool when I took brand new line to Mexico.  I spooled up halfway, sprayed, fill it, sprayed.  if it did anything at all, total mystery.  felt very snake-oily.  

 

I use Sunline Sniper almost exclusively.  but I did pony up the money for Shooter for Mexico.  again, no noticeable improvements.

 

if I had to pick one con (call it a headache) for me using Flouro.  it would be the line doesnt perform well to sudden and violent loading.   but since that barely happens, I dont see any problems.   and I think my knots perform better as the "double" versions.  double improved Clinch, double San Diego Jam, etc.  nice to have two strands going around the bait eyelet.  

 

in the grand scheme of things, the line is relatively inexpensive compared to other things..like the cost of the actual trip.  gas.  its like buying cheap ammo for a hunt.   just me, I love Flouro.    I am watching the Sunline Sniper.  I have had some fraying lately.  maybe a new batch.  dunno.  I might need to change loyalties.  soon.

Seaguar Tatsu is the premium FC available today for overall performance. Tried Daiwa  Samuari FC it’s about equal to Sunline Sniper in performance with higher memory. 

Tom

I know there's been tests done etc, but nobody can convince me that fluoro has as much/more stretch than mono.

 

Strange negative comments in this thread about fluorocarbon.  I think some of it comes from long-ago issues when fluorocarbon became popular for bass fishing.   Back then, fluorocarbon had high memory, high stretch, and knot failures (remember Vanish? Ugh!). Using sprays like KVD Line & Lure was almost required, and special care had to be taken when tying knots.

 

These days, those issues have been eliminated with premium fluoro such as Sunline and Seaguar.  I've been using Seaguar almost exclusively for over a decade.

 

I use Seaguar InvizX on most of my baitcasters for an all-purpose line: Texas-rigged plastics, spinnerbaits, etc.  I use Tatsu on baitcasters for Senkos and crankbaits; and Tatsu and R18 6lb test on my spinning outfits for finesse applications.

 

Zero issues.  None.  I don't need any special sprays or knots, or need to retie frequently. Then again, Seaguar invented fluorocarbon line, and is the only manufacturer that makes its own resins combined with a patented manufacturing process.  End-to-end quality control.  Nobody else does that.

 

I reserve braid for flipping/pitching/punching/frogging in heavy weeds and woody cover.  Seaguar Smackdown is all I use.

 

I use mono for topwater baits because it floats.  Sunline Super Natural gets the call for that.

 

Hope that helps!

Every 2 weeks or so when the same discussion starts up again, I say the same things again as I’ve been saying for years. 
(See earlier reply)
But @Glenn just says it better. 😜
 

I just don’t understand the problems so many of you keep posting about. 
Just don’t get it. 
 

Braid with all it’s faults is a specialty line, flouro with all it’s faults is overall the most effective line I’ve ever used. 
 

But that’s me. 
 

Carry On

 

 

 

 

Mike

Wow! What a discussion!!!

 

ok so I spooled up with 12 pound seaguar invizx last night. On my Shimano slx70 and  falcon low rider swim jig rod. Went to the pond before work and threw a 3/16 siebert sniper jig. I love it!!!! 
 

casted well. Was sensitive low stretch on hook set. For the two smaller fish I caught. I really enjoyed fishing with it honestly. 

1 hour ago, NorthernBasser said:

I know there's been tests done etc, but nobody can convince me that fluoro has as much/more stretch than mono.

 

An old post by @WRB on the subject makes sense to me. While fluorocarbon stretches, it has a lower coefficient of drag in the water. This feels like less stretch, but it is less drag. It’s why it feels like fluorocarbon slices through the water.

I’ve been on and off with Flourocarbon for the last 15 years or so. I fished my first club tournament in 2 years last week since my lumbar fusion and used Seaguar 15 invizx on a Texas rig and weighed in 15 pounds. Needless to say to say the big spots liked it and I liked it. I’m back on it lol.Lake Lanier is fishing great right now.Fish what gives you confidence!

It hasn't been a headache at all. Been using it for over 20 years. Take two Invisx and a Tatsu and call the doc in the morning. 

By the way, I like quality fluorocarbon. I’ve never had a bad spool from Seaguar or Sunline. I still use a fair bit of monofilament too. Fluorocarbon doesnt like kinks, and it doesn’t like an open spool with no tension. Do your best to stay away from those two things and you’ll be okay. 

I was all braid for years and years then went braid to fluro leader until this year. I went to 10 and 12#  Yozuri T7 fluro on all my casting rigs to eliminate the added knot and as of yet have no regrets. It cast fine, actually farther than braid, just as sensitive and I like the direct to lure contact. I do like the P-line Fluroclear too and use it on an ultralight rod. Sixteenth pound Sunline Shooter is on my jig rod.

Tatsu is great but like others, outta my price range for a line that still fractures.

I'm still looking for that fluorocarbon line that isn't a monofilament...

Maybe one day there will be braided fluorocarbon ???

     I use all three, Fluoro, Mono and Braid. All have different properties and pro's and con's to them. I use mostly Fluoro for cranking, single hook moving baits (spinner and chatter) and bottom contact baits (worms and jigs). Mono is for top water baits when I don't want the line to sink. Braid to mono leader for small top waters on the spinning reel. Big game mono for big swimbaits.  Braid for throwing into heavy cover. I also use braid for deep diving (15'-25') crank baits. It really gets them deeper.  You have to be careful with the drag to keep from bending out the hooks

     Regarding fluorocarbon. I have tried a bunch of different brands and have settled on three. Seaguar Tatsu, Invisx and Diawa Samurai. I have some of the Shimano Mastiff that I need to try out. But the quality of the resin formulation makes a serious difference in the performance of the line and the price you pay. Buying large bulk spools (600-1000 yrd) on sale and using backing really reduces the cost of using the top tier fluorocarbons.

     I'll add more to this post next week. Time to go home.

Best,

Fishingmickey

I’m 50/50 on it. I started using it a few months ago and it’s been more of a headache than an advantage in my experience. 
 

My first time using it, I spooled up with brand new Seaguar Invizix. The first trip out, my jig broke off in mid air and blew my reel up. Retrieved my jig from the bank, line was still tied to it. Just recently I lost a big fish with that same Invizix spool using about a 1-2ft leader for senkos. 
 

All y’all say you gotta re tie every so often and this and that… I don’t see that as an advantage when you gotta worry about your line breaking every few hours if you don’t retie. 
 

I’ve been using Sunline Sniper since and haven’t a problem. With that said though, I thought flurocarbon was supposed to sink. If I just let my line sit slack on the water, it floats. 🤔

On 4/25/2025 at 5:17 PM, Reel said:

Maybe one day there will be braided fluorocarbon ???

Furled leaders are made of braided fluorocarbon. 

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

Furled leaders are made of braided fluorocarbon. 

Yes, I was serious about that !

Most bass anglers use line that us 2X to 3X the strength of the weight the bass they catch. I would say 15 lb test on average. 
Knot strength isn’t an issue if your line is 200% stronger then the fish weight.

When the fish weight us equal or greater then the line strength then knot and abrasion strength is very important. When the humidity is low line memory and staying wet is important. Both these factors impact my line choices.

Tom 

The only fluorocarbon I’ve used that really benefited from conditioner was 20 lb abrasx. Wasn’t a must have but definitely seemed to help

On 4/25/2025 at 11:49 AM, Mike L said:

 

I just don’t understand the problems so many of you keep posting about. 
Just don’t get it

 

I don't understand how y'all don't have problems 🤔

 

I've tried really hard to get used to Flourcarbon, I bought Tatsu & Shooter; worst lines I've ever owned. Unless it was newly spooled memory & coils were unbelievable requiring some kind of conditioner. 

 

Abrasion resistance wasn't anywhere near that of Big Game. Shock absorption was practically nonexistent due to the fact once stretched it doesn't return to its original shape. 

 

When Flipping-n-pitching it isn't as bad since you don't have much line out but my way of fishing requires casting. 

10 hours ago, WRB said:

When the humidity is low line memory and staying wet is important. Both these factors impact my line choices.

Tom 

...continue.  Why?

I hate fluoro. I don't fish in clear or deep or rocky water. I have no use for it. I use straight 30 lb. braid on my jig/T-rig combo. If I want to use a leader for braid, I just tie on a few feet of 15 lb. Big Game. But I've become convinced lately that fish don't care, especially in heavy cover.