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My boy always wants to put them in the livewell and try to net them back out with his little dip net. I'll usually try to catch a couple green sunfish and let him have at it. I just tell him that if he kills them, he has to eat them because we aren't out there to kill fish just to kill them. Want him to enjoy himself but understand that it's still a living creature he needs to respect no matter how small. 

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3 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

My boy always wants to put them in the livewell and try to net them back out with his little dip net. I'll usually try to catch a couple green sunfish and let him have at it. I just tell him that if he kills them, he has to eat them because we aren't out there to kill fish just to kill them. Want him to enjoy himself but understand that it's still a living creature he needs to respect no matter how small. 

Your Son is indeed a fortunate boy - he has a great Dad.

#straightup

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A-Jay

 

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My two girls would always want to bring the sunfish and bluegill home. I would tell them that the lake is there home and that's where their family lives.

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Hahahha. “He won’t get stinky!” Our parents probably would have thrown us back into the river if we denied their request that many times! 

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I give credit to the kid for digging his heels in and calling his Dad’s bluff on leaving him there. 😂

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10 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

My boy always wants to put them in the livewell and try to net them back out with his little dip net. I'll usually try to catch a couple green sunfish and let him have at it. I just tell him that if he kills them, he has to eat them because we aren't out there to kill fish just to kill them. Want him to enjoy himself but understand that it's still a living creature he needs to respect no matter how small. 

How many fish has he had to eat?

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3 minutes ago, Sam said:

How many fish has he had to eat?

None yet. I keep a close eye on him and don't let him keep a fish in there long.

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There's a lot of learning from a kid just watching fish in a tank or livewell.  I'm still fascinated by watching fish, and I'm in my late 40s, lol.  I had a ton of aquariums when I was younger and worked in the aquarium industry.  You want to have some fun, fins a quiet, shallow weedbed, and drag a pile of the weeds ashore.  You can pick through it, and find a ton of baby sunnies, catfish, and other species.  All you need is a small plastic tank, air pump, and sponge filter to hold and observe the fish for a day or two.  Fun fact: even baby bullheads less than an inch still sting like heck.

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First thought was that the father cut off the camera before the spankings commenced....but after a bit more thought,  I'm guessing the kid has rarely been punished in any manner.

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When we first started going to Wisconsin and my daughter was 1 year old, she was always into fishing and I would bring in a couple of fish from the livewell (when she was about 4) for her to see and release.  When she started fishing, there was a kiddie pool at the cottage on the bank and she would fill it up with buckets of lake water, rocks and lake weeds and then put every bluegill, crayfish, snail, turtle or whatever she caught into the pool.  Rule was that she had to let everything go at the end of the day.  Kept her busy all week.  Smart Dad!!:P

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I will put my flame suit on because I am sure this isn't going to sit well with some, but here goes. This type of parenting is what is turning this country into what it is today. I know when I was told to do something, I did it right then. There was no talking back or refusing to do something. My parents were some of the best in the world, they weren't mean, but they taught me respect and discipline. This kid will be the same kid who doesn't think he needs to behave in school and he will talk back to his teachers because his Dad lets him and even thinks it is cute enough to record. When my wife and I first got serious I had a very difficult time with the way she let her daughters talk back to her. She had been raising 3 girls by herself for 5 years so she was just used to it. I put a stop to all that and they are very well behaved now. It doesn't take long for me to recognize what type of parenting is done at home when I see how the kids behave in school. Many people here probably see the same thing in the store or at a restaurant. I'm sorry, I guess I am just old school and find this type of behavior by the parent and child to be sickening. 

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I don't completely disagree with that, but jeez, the kid is like two years old.  If you ever spent time with ANY two or three year old, you'd be sick a lot.  Personally, I wouldn't have done any negotiating, and took the fish and tossed it back, and ignore the meltdown.  I draw the line with living creatures.  It's the same as pulling a dog's tail, except the fish won't bite him.  There are times though, that you have to meet them at their level, and others where that isn't great either.  You have to take into account each kid, and their abilities.  Having them reason out why something is right or wrong can be a profound lesson.  My two boys are completely different, and disciplining them is completely different for each.  Somehow my oldest came out fine, despite my best efforts, lol.  I can recall a few meltdowns over things like this.  At 19, he just bought a house.

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1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said:

I will put my flame suit on because I am sure this isn't going to sit well with some, but here goes. This type of parenting is what is turning this country into what it is today. I know when I was told to do something, I did it right then. There was no talking back or refusing to do something. My parents were some of the best in the world, they weren't mean, but they taught me respect and discipline. This kid will be the same kid who doesn't think he needs to behave in school and he will talk back to his teachers because his Dad lets him and even thinks it is cute enough to record. When my wife and I first got serious I had a very difficult time with the way she let her daughters talk back to her. She had been raising 3 girls by herself for 5 years so she was just used to it. I put a stop to all that and they are very well behaved now. It doesn't take long for me to recognize what type of parenting is done at home when I see how the kids behave in school. Many people here probably see the same thing in the store or at a restaurant. I'm sorry, I guess I am just old school and find this type of behavior by the parent and child to be sickening. 

I agree, there is no reasoning with a 3 year old and dad shouldn't have to ask more than twice. Had dad pulled out his belt on camera he'd have a lot more problems to deal with than a stubborn son.  That being said,  I don't think this situation warranted it and dad was doing this purely for camera footage. 

 

 

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

I don't completely disagree with that, but jeez, the kid is like two years old.  If you ever spent time with ANY two or three year old, you'd be sick a lot.  Personally, I wouldn't have done any negotiating, and took the fish and tossed it back, and ignore the meltdown.  I draw the line with living creatures.  It's the same as pulling a dog's tail, except the fish won't bite him.  There are times though, that you have to meet them at their level, and others where that isn't great either.  You have to take into account each kid, and their abilities.  Having them reason out why something is right or wrong can be a profound lesson.  My two boys are completely different, and disciplining them is completely different for each.  Somehow my oldest came out fine, despite my best efforts, lol.  I can recall a few meltdowns over things like this.  At 19, he just bought a house.

The fish was clearly dead. Throwing it back was moot. 

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4 minutes ago, slonezp said:

The fish was clearly dead. Throwing it back was moot.

I get that.  I couldn't tell if it was something they caught and he held onto, or if he just found a dead fish.  I was thinking he caught it and wanted to keep it.  In that case, I'd have just taken it from him.  If it was a dead fish he found, well, same thing I guess.  I probably wouldn't have let him pick it up in the first place.

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1 hour ago, J Francho said:

I don't completely disagree with that, but jeez, the kid is like two years old.  

I met my wife when her kids were 2,3 and 5. That is one of the excuses she used was their age. I explained to her that you couldn't expect them to behave when they are 9,10 or 15 if they aren't expected to when they are 2,3 or 7. I guess I just see disrespect from kids on a daily basis who are 12, 13 and 14 and most of them have the same attitude as this kid. I absolutely hate to hear "why" when you tell a kid to do something. I can say - Don't throw that pencil, and they say "why". I hope when one of my child's teachers tell them something they reply "Yes ma'am or Yes sir or No ma'am or No sir".

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I think it's the same as it's always been.  I grew up hearing other kids ask why when told to do something and being disrespectful.  Others like myself followed in line with a yes sir/ma'am.  A certain percentage of kids don't get it, and a certain percentage of parents don't get it.  I think it just gets more annoying as we get older, and we have less patience for it.  Now, get off my lawn you dang kids!

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GET OFF THE LAWN!

 

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p.s.  I would let the boy keep the fish.

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41 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

I met my wife when her kids were 2,3 and 5. That is one of the excuses she used was their age. I explained to her that you couldn't expect them to behave when they are 9,10 or 15 if they aren't expected to when they are 2,3 or 7. I guess I just see disrespect from kids on a daily basis who are 12, 13 and 14 and most of them have the same attitude as this kid. I absolutely hate to hear "why" when you tell a kid to do something. I can say - Don't throw that pencil, and they say "why". I hope when one of my child's teachers tell them something they reply "Yes ma'am or Yes sir or No ma'am or No sir".

"Why?" is simply a challenge to what you are telling them.  They really don't want to know "why."

 

HOW, when you are 7 or 8 going to know how to behave if you've never heard "no" or "stop that" when you were two or three?  You don't have to beat them or someone to teach, reinforce or maintain discipline.

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2 hours ago, J Francho said:

...If you ever spent time with ANY two or three year old, you'd be sick a lot...

I think each kid is different, it depends on their personality type even at that age. 

 

As 3 year olds, our sons never directly disobeyed us or talked back.  They had (& still have) easy going personalities and while they got into trouble like any boys do, they always did what we told them to do.  Extremely easy kids to keep in line.

 

Our daughter was (& is) different.  Very strong willed, if she felt a certain way about something, she would try to make her case.  We had to be much more blunt & to the point about things with her, it took a much stronger hand (mentally, not physically) to stop her from disagreeing with us.  It is her nature and it was a balance to teach her how to behave properly without extinguishing her independent spirit.  The benefit of a daughter like that is I was never worried about her when she began dating.  In fact, I kinda felt sorry for some of the teen boys who thought they had any chance of control when on a date with her. 😁

1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said:

 I hope when one of my child's teachers tell them something they reply "Yes ma'am or Yes sir or No ma'am or No sir".

When my twin sons were about 5, my mom was babysitting them while we were out of town.  They had an automatic bubble maker that they used to turn on outside in order to watch our dogs chase & bite the bubbles.  They got the great idea that it would be fun to use plastic baseball bats to swing at the bubbles.  My mom saw this, went out & told them not to swing the baseball bats at the bubbles.  They obeyed her, they put the bats down.  A minute later, one of my sons comes in the house with his head bleeding.  My mom immediately said "I told you to not swing the baseball bats at the bubbles", to which my other son responded "We weren't, we were swinging the hockey sticks".

 

They got her on a technicality... 

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18 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said:

"We weren't, we were swinging the hockey sticks".

 

They got her on a technicality..

I laughed out loud at this. 

 

Kids do some pretty dumb stuff, disobey, and can be disrespectful, even the good ones.  I just hope mine learn from their mistakes.  Letting them screw up might be the hardest part.  Controlling them while growing up results in people that can't make good decisions on their own or understand the real consequences of bad decisions.

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28 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I laughed out loud at this. 

 

Kids do some pretty dumb stuff, disobey, and can be disrespectful, even the good ones.  I just hope mine learn from their mistakes.  Letting them screw up might be the hardest part.  Controlling them while growing up results in people that can't make good decisions on their own or understand the real consequences of bad decisions.

I tell my Son all the time. Son, I love you more than you will ever know. I know you will make poor decisions and will end up in some tough spots, just know that I will always be here no matter how bad you think you have screwed up. But promise me one thing, you won't be as dumb as I was when I was a teenager. LOL

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20 hours ago, jbsoonerfan said:

But promise me one thing, you won't be as dumb as I was when I was a teenager. LOL

Right?  I'm still pretty dumb.  Almost 50 and heading to skatepark after work to get some time in the bowl.

 

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That would not have been the right attitude around my house growing up , lol . Im glad my dad was the disciplinarian he was though. I needed every bit of it.

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