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I want to have one knot that I can stick to every time. I have done the uni to uni a few times but have never tried Alberto. Is one stronger than the other? Any advice is greatly appreciated. I use 15 lb braid to 12 lb flouro.

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I use both for the occasional times I use a leader. I find them both plenty strong (never mind the strength lists with other knots like FG). Uni-uni is easier for me but definitely louder through the guides. What I do like about the Alberto is that even though the leader tag faces forward it can be cut flush without concern of unraveling, so less noise. Just be careful not to nip the braid.

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I used the Uni to Uni and Albright for years.  Both easy to tie strong knots.  I haven't used either of those knots once I saw my first Alberto

 

There is a learning curve to tying the Alberto.  If you make a couple of the common mistakes the knot will fail.  I have seen many videos where the person teaching others how to tie the Alberto  is making those exact mistakes.

     Once you learn to tie the Alberto correctly , it is stronger, faster, and slimmer than a Uni to Uni.  If you already know how to tie the Uni to Uni and don't want to learn a new knot, than I'm sure the fish wont care and neither should you.

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I find the double Uni to be bigger (sometimes a lot bigger) than the crazy alberto with no difference in strength.  I think the fact that the tag ends stick out at 90 degrees makes a big difference in making the uni 'catchier'.  A crazy alberto is the thickness of two leaders with no tag end to catch.  I also find it more consistent for me to get a good tie, especially on the water.  With the double Uni I find it more sensitive to the diameters of the two lines and don't always get a good tie.  For mono to mono or mono to fluoro its not bad, but braid to mono/fluoro the braid digs and cuts too often for me.

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I fish a lot of nasty cover. I get snagged often. I have tried the Albright, Alberto, and the Uni to Uni. 

 

I now stick to the Uni to Uni because when I get snagged and I try to pull free or break off the bait the knot breaks at the bait.  With the other two knots, the break occurs at the braid-to-leader connection. 

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Summarizing what others have said, and I agree with.  Both are strong.  The U2U is bigger but easier to tie.  You can tell if you tied it properly just by looking at it.  The Alberto knot is smaller but a bit harder to tie.  It involves wrapping the main line over itself and proper cinching.  

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Double uni is probably the easiest to learn and has little liklihood of a failure.  But it gets pretty big, so if you use small guides it may not work that well with all normal leader pound tests.  If it works well for you, use it.  

 

The Alberto is pretty small and pretty easy to learn, but I used to have "mystery failures" with it in spite of what I thought was always the proper tying technique.  I added two tightly set overhand knots of the braid tag to it and have had no failures.  With the Alberto, as with many other knots, you HAVE TO set it very tightly to prevent unravelling.  I think it's the leader loop that has to be very tightly closed, and failure to do that might lead to a knot failure.  

 

You will get votes for the FG, but in my experience, it has too many ways  to fail to be considered a mainstream knot.  It works best with the heavy leaders that it was designed for, and does not work reliably well with the lighter leaders we bass fishermen use (like less than about 20 pounds) .  The FG depends on plastically deforming the leader in order to work, and with leaders only .006-.015 inch diameter to begin with, there is  not that much there to deform.  It even more than the Albero needs to be properly tied and then properly and tightly set. Many people finish it with extra knots of the braid tag, also.

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FG hands down, then uni to uni or uni to nail. Alberto, Albright and Yucatan were my go to for years. But getting too many breaks on tightening (mainly mono to mono or fluoro but some braid) maybe just lost my tying mojo over the decades.

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One thing that I've found that makes the Alberto less intimidating is that the final up wraps don't have to alternate perfectly. Just don't double back over previous wraps. The loops will "find" the right lay if you draw the knot up carefully. Just looking at the finished knot will confirm this. It should be straight and uniform. Any lumpiness is a signal to retie.

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One nice thing about the uni or double uni, it makes a good line to line as well as line to tackle knot.  Infact a uni with two pass thrus the tackle eye is one of the very strongest line to tackle knots.  It's also a very easy knot to understand and visualize.  It also makes a good sliding stopper knot and spool knot as well.  This makes it one knot that can be used for almost everything sans a fixed loop knot.  

 

The FG is just a pain with small line and leader.  The SC would be my choice for that type of knot with smaller line.  I rarely even use the fg on my heavy SW bait rigs.  There using a wind on leader be it shock or top shot I use a section of hollow braid to make a splice which is infinitely more reliable consistent and stronger than any knot.  Just not something you do in the field but technically easy to do.

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On 8/1/2022 at 2:45 PM, The Bassman said:

One thing that I've found that makes the Alberto less intimidating is that the final up wraps don't have to alternate perfectly. Just don't double back over previous wraps. The loops will "find" the right lay if you draw the knot up carefully. Just looking at the finished knot will confirm this. It should be straight and uniform. Any lumpiness is a signal to retie.

^^^THIS^^^  Once I figured this out, the Alberto became easy to tie, and I've never had one fail. I also give an extra pass through the loop at the finish before cinching down.

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15 hours ago, Tatulatard said:

Anyone use the hollow braid and just stuff the leader into it like a finger trap?  TT uses this on a lot of their swimbait setups I see.

Yes.  I have used it for all my big game reels for years.  I have never found an application for a hollow braid splice for bass fishing.  Now that many manufactures make hollow braid in 65# test a person might want to give it a try.  The biggest advantage of hollow braid, would be never having to replace the braid.  You can simply splice in a few yards of new line when your reel starts to get low.  A hollow braid splice is 100% in strength, and almost impossible to tell where the splice was made.  Finger trap splice with hollow braid to leader is also !00% strength, but I replace my leaders too often while bass fishing to to bother with the splice, because of the time it takes to make the connection.

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I always called my knot a Crazy Alberto, but google isn't my friend and I now have no idea what's a modified albright, a modified Alberto, a special albright or ?????

   I put braid through leader loop, and do 7 turns down, 7 turns back and bring braid tag back through leader loop same way it went in.  I do increase to 10/10 turns when using Gliss, because it is so slick

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3 hours ago, Choporoz said:

I always called my knot a Crazy Alberto, but google isn't my friend and I now have no idea what's a modified albright, a modified Alberto, a special albright or ?????

   I put braid through leader loop, and do 7 turns down, 7 turns back and bring braid tag back through leader loop same way it went in.  I do increase to 10/10 turns when using Gliss, because it is so slick

I do similar except I go 9 turns up and 9 back. The big thing I changed to make it cinch is going back through the loop 5 times at the end. It’s a long, thin knot and I’ve found it to be quite strong. I can also tie it consistently. 
 

I really don’t know what to call this…it’s some kind of modified Albright or Alberto. 

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15 hours ago, king fisher said:

Yes.  I have used it for all my big game reels for years.  I have never found an application for a hollow braid splice for bass fishing.  Now that many manufactures make hollow braid in 65# test a person might want to give it a try.  The biggest advantage of hollow braid, would be never having to replace the braid.  You can simply splice in a few yards of new line when your reel starts to get low.  A hollow braid splice is 100% in strength, and almost impossible to tell where the splice was made.  Finger trap splice with hollow braid to leader is also !00% strength, but I replace my leaders too often while bass fishing to to bother with the splice, because of the time it takes to make the connection.

I use it for wind on leaders (shock/top shot) for SW.  IMO in that context it is superior to anything else.  I use a piece of 6'-10' hb for a splice between main solid braid and the leader.  There is no knot stronger or that slips thru rod and reel guides like a hb splice.  It's reliable, consistent, 100% strength consistently, technically easy to do, smallest diameter, and works equally well with casting or spinning reels.  Only mark against it, is it's comparatively time consuming and requires, at a minimum, a needle and not ideal for doing in the field.  But prepping at home it's the way to go.

 

I could see using it for lmb as you state.  They are now making hb in much smaller diameter and strength.  IIRC, I have seen even 20lb?  The other downside to hb is cost vs solid of equal quality.

 

What I have found interesting is how far you can still cast hb with a surf setup.  You always read how it dramatically kills distance but I have seen 40/50lb hb cast way past 100yd, close to 200yd on a surf rig.

 

 

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